Thomas Bagnall 1794/1860

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    We need help.
    We have been trying to find a birth/christening entry for Thomas Bagnall My Great x2 G/father.
    Also, if you come across Anne Heath's birth/christening entry that would be a bonus.
    One christening for a Thomas Bagnall, dated 11 Nov.1798. parents Charles/ Mary,
    St. John's Burslem Staff.
    We dismissed this entry on the grounds that it did no follow convention as there are no Charles's in our lineage, first or middle name.
    Thomas / Anne's children in order of birth,
    Sarah, Mary (a common name),Thomas,Anne, Richard (my lineage), Robert and William.

    Ancestry has many trees that purported to have found Thomas's ancestors,but, until his birth certificate/ entry with his parents names none of them will be relevant to our lineage. Other genealogy sites may have the information needed.

    The transcribed 1851 census has them down as Bognell at Boothem Stoke upon Trent Staff.
    Thomas was born about 1794, married Anne Heath 11 June 1816.
    He was a farmer of 160 Acres at Boothem, employer of several people, (It was said that he owned several copy houses and a school house on his death)

    http://places.wishful-thinking.org.uk/STS/
    Grave inscriptions St.Peter Ad Vincula's churchyard:-
    C30:-
    Sarah d/o Thomas & Ann BAGNALL of Boothem 3 May 1857, 39.
    Anne, of Boothem,30 September 1867, 74.
    Robert Bagnall, s, of Boothem, 28 August 1881, 48.
    C32:-
    Thomas Bagnall of Boothem, 15 june 1860, 67.

    footnote:-A family member visited the church many years ago and saw that there were many plaques (as in tiles) on the church wall of the above and many other families as tribute to their life, (They took a couple of photos, I can post them if needed.)

    Thanks in advance.
     
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    Is this Ann?
    Ann Heath or Bagnall
    Father John Heath, Mother Ann Bagnall
    10th November 1793 Burslem Staffordshire.
    England Births and Baptisms Family Search
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    Could be they were cousins of some kind.
     
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    OOps!!! I am still fumbling around hitting the wrong things :rolleyes:.
    Thanks Archie's mum.
    It is Anne Heath I was asking about, wife of Thomas Bagnall who were married by licence. Daughter of Thomas Heath / Rebecca Shaw from our research.
     
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    OK Thanks but just one question.
    I have searched high and low for Boothem, any ideas?:rolleyes:
     
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    Another Oops. clumsy fingers, try Boothen Stoke on Trent. It now appears to be part of Penkhull in Google maps.
    Although the grave inscriptions have it as Boothem.
     
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    Post # 4 Ann is daughter of Thomas Heath and Rebecca Shaw. On an optusnet tree Richard Bagnall is married to Elizabeth Hulse daughter of Thomas HULSE and Rebecca Shaw.
    Are there two Rebecca Shaw’s?
     
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    Thank for that, it would seem another Oops would be in order.

    You are correct, One only Rebecca Shaw she was married to Thomas Hulse.

    Richard was the fifth Child of Thomas and Ann Bagnall (Heath)
    Elizabeth was the third child of Thomas and Rebecca Hulse(Shaw)
    They were married on the 16 Oct.1820.

    It would seem my head space is not in the right frame of mind at the moment.
    Will try and edit the misinformation, if unable to edit, I will wait till the morning before posting anything else.
     
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    Amendment to reply #4 :- disregard (Daughter of Thomas Heath / Rebecca Shaw from our research.)
     
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    Your head space is just fine.
    With all that research (it's yours?) I'm not surprised. It's a big tree and well done. Lots of info there. Hope they both turn up for you.
     
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    Did you notice that the 1841 has Thomas with wife Ann...51 HO107 990/4 and the 1851 has Thomas with wife Jane 40 HO107 2006/142.
    Children on both match, names and ages.
     
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    Definitely Bagnall on the 1851 through Family Search viewable at FMP but with wife Jane, not Ann but farmer of 160 acres as stated. So no idea what happened there
     
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    In case you haven't seen this
    Staffordshire Advertiser 22nd June 1816
    On the 11th inst., at Stoke-Upon-Trent, Mr Thomas Bagnall of Trent Hay to Miss Ann Heath of the Mill Cottage, Hanley.
     
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    Lots of Heaths seem to be potters in Hanley
     
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    Hi Archie's Mum
    Regarding 1851 Census, the hand writing is very poor (I can relate to that:)) what appears to be Jane is actually Anne, the same as Bagnall appears to be Bognell.

    Sadly, I cannot claim credit for all of the research, it has been a combination
    of past and present researchers, i would like to think i played some small part.
    The present researcher is my Sister in law, always checking and re checking facts.
     
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    She’s done a jolly good job.
     
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    Ann, thank you, was there anymore information in the notice?
    Staffordshire Advertiser do they have a site I can go to?
    I am not a member of any genealogy sites at the moment.
     
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    Thomas Bagnall and Anne Heath parents are the stumbling blocks that stopping us from going further back.
    ( you never know, once past this road block, we may get back to William who gave his horse to Charles the 2nd.:):):))
     
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    No, no more information, just the notice of marriage. The Staffordshire Advertiser is one of the papers included in the British Newspaper Archive.
    Code:
    https://www.britishnewspaperarchive.co.uk/
     
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    Here's another one for you
    Staffordshire Advertiser 28th April 1832
    On Sunday morning last, at the house of her son-in-law, Mr T. Bagnall, of Boothen, Mrs Heath, relict of the late Mr Thomas Heath, of Hanley, aged 64.
     
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