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  1. Chimp

    Chimp Moderator & Cheeky Human IMP Staff Member

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    I've just received a will and although it's typed the copy is very poor. I've tried transcribing most of it but there are some words missing and I can't think of the actual words that should be there. (there is more than one bit I need help with but here's the first.)
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    6. PROVIDED ALWAYS that if any or either of them the said
    Violet Mary Davies or Glyn Gene Davies shall die in my life-
    -time (whether before or after the date of this my Will)
    leaving issue me surviving who shall then have attained or
    thereafter attain the age of twentyone years or being female
    shall attain that age or marry under that age such issue shall
    ?????? ?????? and if more than one equally between them
    ????? ?????? or benefit ???? his her or their parent or
    prospective parents would have taken had he or she survived me
    ??????? a vested interest________________________________
     
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    SOLVED
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    account) and out of the proceeds thereof and of my ready money
    to pay my just debts funeral and testamentary expenses and
    all death duties payable in respect of my real and personal
    property under this my Will or any Codicil hereto And after
    payments thereof I give the residue of my estate to the Bank
    Upon Trust to divide the same equally between and among such
    of them the Violet Mary Davies and Glyn Gene Davies as
    shall be living at my death for their own use and benefit
    absolutely_____________________________________________
     
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    7. FURTHER
    that it is my express wish (but no trust is
    hereby intended or created) that the said Violet Mary Davies
    and Glyn Gene Davies allow my said wife to reside in the
    ??????? Stoney Pound during her life or for such shorter
     
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    But no trust is herby intended or created?
     
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    oooh thank you @Libby for 'created' I kept reading orected, I searched the net for what that word meant :rolleyes:
     
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  6. Londoner

    Londoner Will always roll up her sleeves and dig around

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    Post 2 residue of my estate.
    I can't get the exact wording in #1 but the intention is that any children inherit in proportion to what their parents would have received.
     
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    Chimp Moderator & Cheeky Human IMP Staff Member

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    ESTATE !! why couldn't I see that :mad: I can see it now :rolleyes: thank you @Londoner
     
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    From your first post:
    I think the bit I've put in bold is 'per stirpes', but there's something else in front of it.

    Per stirpes refers to the way an estate is to be distributed - you'll find better definitions by searching than I can give :rolleyes:
     
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    Thank you @arthurk I had never heard of that term before. I googled it and can see how that term would be used in the will.
     
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    Could the word before Stoney Pound be Domicile?

    Also, in the very first piece you posted, could it be respective parents rather than prospective parents?
     
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  11. burt

    burt Where there's a will there's a way!

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    I think before Stoney Pound could be 'house in'. I agree with Jellylegs'
    respective. I think on bottom line of #1 'attained'.
     
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    That sounds much better @burt. I was just trying to think of another name for a house i.e. dwelling. It didn't enter my head that it could be "house in", as I was thinking Stoney Pound could be the name of the property, not where it was :rolleyes:
     
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    Brilliant @Jellylegs and @burt - Stoney Pound is a farm in the middle of nowhere between Bettws-y-crwyn and Clun, so I will go with 'house at'
     
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    “benefit ???? his her or their parent”

    Benefit which his her or their parent ?
     
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    oooh nice one, so now we have :-

    6. PROVIDED ALWAYS that if any or either of them the said
    Violet Mary Davies or Glyn Gene Davies shall die in my life-
    -time (whether before or after the date of this my Will)
    leaving issue me surviving who shall then have attained or
    thereafter attain the age of twentyone years or being female
    shall attain that age or marry under that age such issue shall
    ?????? per stirpes and if more than one equally between them
    ????? ?????? or benefit which his her or their parent or
    respective parents would have taken had he or she survived me
    and attained a vested interest_____________________________
     
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    Daft Bat Administrator. Chief cook & bottle washer! Staff Member

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    I don't know how to do this but maybe you or someone else knows...

    Would it be possible to have the document in negative rather than positive? Sometimes it can make it easier to read and brings up bits that are illegible normally.... if you see what I mean... :confused:
     
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    I can do it, give me a min :)
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    Daft Bat Administrator. Chief cook & bottle washer! Staff Member

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    I still can't help but maybe others will be able to. It has certainly made the bits that we already know about clearer. :)
     
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  19. Archie's Mum

    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    Don't you just love these old wills where the wife is 'allowed' to reside?
     
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    I think it's probably "... take per stirpes and if more than one equally between them..." I've just found that phrase in a will that I have a copy of.

    Unfortunately mine doesn't go on in the same way from there, but I wonder if here it might be the share or benefits... I'm far from certain, though. However, wills are often written with a combination of stock phrases, so it might be possible to search for some of the possibilities that we've come up with to see if they can be found anywhere.
     
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