Trying to find a marriage

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    Between Edwin Taylor and Rose (maiden name not known). They appear as husband and wife in the 1901 census - RG13/2885 - living in Aston Manor. According to the return Edwin was born about 1868 and Rose about 1871, both births in Birmingham.
     
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    How about Rose Brewer Kings Norton December 1905
    6c 821 Freebmd
     
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    I went back 10 years to see if I could find them in 1891 and so narrow the years down.

    Edwin appears to be in the same/similar occupation. In 1901 (RG13, piece 2885, folio 161, page 42) he is a Stoker at a Cycle Works and 10 years earlier
    (RG12, piece 2432, folio 89, page 32)he is a Gun Turner and Bicycle worker. The only fly in the ointment is that his wife is called Elizabeth. o_O

    So.... maybe Elizabeth was still around in 1901 and Edwin and Rose did not therefore marry until the 1905 wedding that Archie's Mum found. Pure supposition, of course... :rolleyes:

    Have you found them in 1911? I have looked, but no luck yet.
     
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    Daft Bat Administrator. Chief cook & bottle washer! Staff Member

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    Forget this - I have just found Edwin and Elizabeth together in 1901 (RG13, piece 2890, folio 33, page 7. Drat! :mad:

    Mind you, this Edwin is also a Machine Fitter in a Cycle Works..... they don't make it easy, do they? :(
     
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    No trace of them in 1911. Just to confuse things even further, there is a marriage in Leicester where one of the possibles is named Rose. But no, this Edwin was born in Leicester in 1868 and he married the other girl, Maria Mace who, ironically was born in Birmingham.
     
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    The only Rose Brewer Birmingham birth reg is dated 1885. :(
     
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    there is another marriage in Banbury (3 miles from me!) of a Rose Ann Smith to an Edwin Taylor in 1885 haven't checked any further records yet
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    I wonder if this is your Couple? may explain where & why they are not- in 1911.

    Births Dec 1889
    Brewer Rose Aston 6-216

    Deaths Sep 1907
    TAYLOR Rose 19 Birmingham 6d-24

    Deaths Jun 1903
    Taylor Edwin 34 Aston 6d-217
    We only have their word for that.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Apologies for the above I missed Rose's age in your first post. Can I ask- are you certain of this Edwin being your man? Or are you wanting a Rose in the picture? There is this other 'Rose'. However she does seem to be always referred to as Clara.

    Edwin Taylor
    Birth: Abt 1869
    Spouse: Clara Rosalie Cracknell
    1901
    Stamper & Piercer brass
    RG13; Piece: 2846; Folio: 62; Page: 26
     
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    The only documentation where I am confident I have the right Edwin are his baptism record (which also gives his DOB, March 20), plus the 1871 and 1881 censuses, where he is living with his parents. There are 2 birth registrations for 1869, in the March and June quarters, so I would need to obtain both certificates to be certain. The 1903 death registration looks right for one of them, but which one. :headbang:

    As for the 1901 census entry, had there been an obvious marriage registration, the certificate would have ordered.
     
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    Just throwing this into the mix.

    Right area, probably wrong Edwin and a choice of two Roses. :rolleyes:

    George Edwin Taylor marriage 1883, Q3, Aston, to Rose Hannah Cooper or Rose Bateman.
     
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    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    If you order and do not quote the GRO ref number, you are directed to a page where you can add the details that you know (eg parents names). The GRO will then look and see if there is a match one year each side of the year you give. If there is no match you get a refund (do not be too precise eg giving middle names, as the GRO will match exactly - or sometimes they will ring you to see if it is correct) . The downside is it take around 3 weeks for the cert but it saves getting the wrong one. and having to pay for it:D.
     
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    The ref for 6d 104 and 105 is St. Martins, Birmingham

    The church of St. Martins is in Bishops Ryder

    I found one baptism (doesn't help with the marriage though)

    Edwin Taylor
    Christening Date: 17 May 1869, Bishops Ryder, Birmingham
    Father: Richard Taylor
    Mother: Hannah
     
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    The Edwin who died in 1903 was living at 40 Parliament Street

    his death on FMP
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    http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=r_272323240
    In 1901 he is with his wife Elizabeth at that address
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    http://search.findmypast.co.uk/record?id=gbc%2f1901%2f0017241459
    RG13
    Piece number 2890
    Folio 33
    Page 7
     
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    According to the 1939 register the other 1869 vintage Edwin was born in January and married someone named Martha, while according to the 1901 census Edwin and Rose were living in Upper Thomas Street. Given that census YOB's are "about" then either he or the one married to Elizabeth is who I'm looking for.

    There is an Aston birth registration in the June quarter of 1868 for an Edwin, plus an Aston marriage registration between Edwin Taylor and either an Amy or Elizabeth in 1891. Reckon I'll order the marriage certificate certificate and hope he's the one I'm looking for. :nailbiting:
     
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    Big thanks for your input Chimp, plus everyone else of course. The reason for my interest is that Richard Taylor and Hannah are my g g grandparents. Edwin is the youngest of their 12 children, that I know about :rolleyes:, and all bar the eldest, who was baptised at St Philip's, were baptised at Bishop Ryder. Richard and Hannah were baptised and married at St Philip's.

    Richard was a 3rd generation gunsmith, and a trades directory for 1835 shows a Richard and Thomas Taylor, who might be his father and uncle, plying their trade about 200 yards from St Philip's. Richard junior then moved "down the road" towards Gosta Green 1847/1848 and into the area of St Martin's served by Bishop Ryder church.

    Thanks to Easter I'm having to wait until the 31st for the marriage certificate, so until then it's a case of fingers crossed and finding other relatives to harass. :)
     
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    Just wondering, out of interest, if the cycle/gun factory was Birmingham Small Arms (BSA).
     
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    In which case, they could have an Archives to contact.... ;)
     
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    Maybe both Edwin and Rose were widowed when they married.
     
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    It's not impossible, but unlikely as they were established in Small Heath. By 1900 Birmingham had the largest number of bicycle and bicycle accessory firms in the UK and every manufacturer who could work steel tube tried to get into the market, making bicycles, bicycle accessories, or both.

    As a former BSA employee my understanding is the company's main interest was in the manufacture of small arms and they only started production of complete bicycles around 1909. Prior to that their involvement was confined to making components to sell on, and they jealously guarded their reputation for quality.

    1897_bsa.jpg
    As was the case with gun makers, few, if any, kept company records.
     

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