Discussion in 'Ayrshire' started by Peregrine, Feb 7, 2016.
They're everywhere..they're everywhere!!
They all landed here in 1854. If my memory serves me correct.
Never used to be
When I was in high school there were two....both named Susan.
I've tried Anc., FMP, F.Search for baptisms with no luck maybe S's People but I don't have the finger power to try. Mayhap they were 'done' in an unpublicised venue or not at all.
quits for me for a time.
Or even......there are loads of baptisms on Family search, surname Sutherland and child is only mentioned as male or female. Maybe he was baptised but no name as yet and his naming was yet to come.
Isn't that what a baptism is? Being accepted into the church and a christening is a naming ceremony?
No I don't think I have and I did not really mean to start a thread about him, just airing my frustration chasing his birth down. Yes he is featured on Rootschat. He is my 2 x great grandfather.
There are many trees featuring him, including mine on Ancestry. And it is a lovely photo of Isaac and Margaret and some of their children. He was a carpenter by trade and a lay preacher here (Bannockburn, Victoria). His death certificate gives his parents as John Sutherland and Catherine Gunn or Gann.
I wasn't aware of the two entries. The image of their marriage has them marrying at Louisburgh in Wick and states that he is a Minister of Dunn as mentioned above by Madotcom (which my iPad wanted to change to Mad outcome!)
Just caught up with you all, my you work fast! But my precious granddaughter just arrived with her mother so will get back to you later
..Interestingly just happened on a claim on F.search of members family insert:-
Pedigree Resource File
birth:1806 Latheron, Caithness, Scotland
death:28 July 1896 Bannockburn, Victoria, Australia
I can totally relate to that at times. I had to ask la Boss to donate a hyphen for me when i first used the name People wondered who I was mad at.
You may be right Sue.
Who knows anymore- perhaps in the serious Churches it may have been/is.
I've read of so many variations in different faiths & Parish registers. Catholic v Protestant. I'd always thought christening was first up thanksgiving to god for the Child, & promise to raise said child in awareness of the Bibles teachings, where Baptism may be done at any age particularly adults who are aware of what they are doing, some times with full immersion in water or just a friendly sprinkle of same.
Have just read that Christening did usually mean naming of child but I haven't seen how that meaning derived from what.
okay Greek work Christen= naming. totally not what I thought the word came from....every one seems as confused as I am. There was a lenghty chat on this topic a while back- I'll see if I can magic it up.
Isaac and family arrived Melbourne on the Black Eagle on 19 Oct 1854
Found this earlier thread, only two reply posts when I thought there was a fair debate on subject of Christenings v. Baptism.
Thanks for that
Lots there though without a Christian name, just male or female.
With Scottish naming patterns maybe Mum and Dad weren't sure which Uncle, Aunt, Grandparent they were up to.
All that I saw F.Search & FMP had other parents on blank christian names.
Therein lies my problem
Have you seen the poss marriage for Isaac's parents on FS and on Free Reg2?
John Suthd and Katharine Gun 1796 in parish of Latheron, both bride and groom have abode Ausdale.
It appears that all the families were evicted from Ausdale in 1804 - that could be good reason for not getting around to a baptism for Isaac.
I think Matrimonally Contracted or similar, meaning promised to marry each other
I gather you have read this:
Lots of old history there. I only had a quick look but you may find it interesting if you haven't already.
I have not recorded the FS citation, but that is the marriage I have for the couple believed to be Isaac's parents. Many of the Ausdale Sutherlands ended up at Badbea, see
The badbeafamilies website makes interesting reading.
Not sure if I have seen this website but I have read some similar material somewhere along the way. Thanks a new resource is always welcome.
I eventually found the marriage on Family Search (once I realised that Sutherland had been shortened to Suthd), but have not found it on Free Reg. And I can't see any detail indicating they lived in Ausdale. What am I doing wrong?
Probably nothing done wrong, perhaps they were only there for a short time-perhaps with rellies for their marriage.?
Wasn't there another Minister there, or am I mixing my threads?
Separate names with a comma.