Two wills solved mystery

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  1. Genie1

    Genie1 Well-Known Member

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    I ordered 2 wills on Wednesday and had one yesterday and one today. Quick work:)
    They both solved the mystery of the parents of William James that married Ann Pascoe in the US.
    Both wills mentioned a William James (as it turnes out,both wills were the correct person) but one clinched it by mentioning that he was a grocer and the street that he lived. He was an executer in his brother's will and also an executer in a nephew will.
    Very pleased indeed as there won't be anymore hair pulling whilst looking for him.
    Only a couple of uncles of his to find and that is that-hopefully.
     
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    Daft Bat Administrator. Chief cook & bottle washer! Staff Member

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    It just goes to show - wills can certainly be brick wall breakers. :)
     
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    GrannyBarb Custodian of the Family Accounts

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    Yay! 8(:-)
     
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    Good stuff. I have a Will that I've been trying to unravel. The man leaving the Will had been married by childless. He, a Treleaven, named a Treleaven nephew as an Executor but also a Parsons as Co-Executor. The Executors also received the bulk of the estate. Curious!

    A bit more digging showed that the Parsons was also a nephew but that his mother and father had died in quick succession. The nephew was 4 when this happened and I believe he and his surviving siblings may have come to live with their Aunt and Uncle. (Two siblings were also dead within a year.)

    The elder Parsons also left a will that I intend to retrieve. Notes from another researcher say that he made the will just 3 days before he was buried and that he mentioned that his wife was carrying a child. Very sad.

    Craig
     
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    The will has thrown up a question.:rolleyes:
    John James has 2 daughters and in the will, one is called Mary Odgers James.
    Mary is born in 1845 and in the 1871 will John says that she is a domestic servant.I can't find her in 1871 at the moment.
    The censuses with her parents John and Johanna show that she is Mary and at no point has she Odgers added to her name.
    Her mother was a Rule before marriage so it couldn't have been a family name.
    In 1871 her sister Elizabeth Ann is at home with her parents and her occupation is upload_2023-3-4_14-47-34.png
    What is this?
     
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    burt Where there's a will there's a way!

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    Pork huckster. So a person who sells pork door to door!
     
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    Thank you the reply.
     
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    No such person as Mary Odgers James. I don't know why her father addded Odgers in the will.
    I found sister Elizabeth up to 1911 and I also dound her death.
    No sign of Mary (born 1845) who was last seen with parents in 1861.
     
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    I think that I read it wrong.
    The names are upload_2023-3-5_16-32-52.png
    I presume that James is his son born born 1857 and still living with his parents.
    If Mary born 1845 and living with parents in 1861 married an Odgers - I can't find her and as. in my earlier post..her father says she is a domestic servant.
    Off to look at the 1871 census to see if I can find a Mary Odgers born 1845.
     
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    I think that I read it wrong.
    The names are View attachment 12805
    I presume that James is his son born born 1857 and still living with his parents.
    If Mary born 1845 and living with parents in 1861 married an Odgers - I can't find her and as. in my earlier post..her father says she is a domestic servant.
    Off to look at the 1871 census to see if I can find a Mary Odgers born 1845.
     
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    An error message appeared and I sent 2 identical messages.
     
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    Current glitches that are being sorted. :(
     
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    1871 census of Hackney, London (RG10/312, folio 14, page 24) shows a Mary O James (Ancestry have transcribed it as Mary E but certainly looks more like an O), aged 26, born Camborne, described as a Servant/Cook in the household of Thomas GOODMAN & family. Perhaps a possibility?

    Janet
     
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    Findmypast has her Mary O James born Camborne.
    Seems like a possibilty. Then she disappears.
    There is a marriage between a Mary Odgers James and Thomas Smith on the 2nd Nov 1874 at Wirksworth, Derbyshire and her father is John James but there is no way of knowing if it the Camborne one.
    I can't find her in 1881 -yet.
     
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    There is a death of a Mary Odger Smith age 30 Wigan Sep Q 1875
     
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    This one is on fs says father is a farmer.
     
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    It's also in the Derbyshire Times of the 7th November 1874
    Nov. 2, at Wirksworth Cnurch by the Rev. T. T. Smith, vicar, Mr Thomas Smith to Miss Mary Odgers James, both of Wirksworth.
     
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    Now found that:) The Cornish Mary's father is a farmer not that is any help with this.
    Will have to see if there is a Mary Odgers James born in that area.
    Janetbooth placed the Cornish Mary born Camborne in post 13 living in Hackney,London.
     
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    I think the Mary Odger Smith who died may have had a child Florence Mary Smith b SEP Q 1875 Wigan. Florence seems to be in Wirksworth in 1881 with grandmother Sarah Smith. Sadly no link to Cornwall.
     
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    If it is her, it seems that she may have died in childbirth?
    Not a nice thing to say but if she had lived to 1881 the mystery would have been solved.
     

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