Victoria Clarice Dee nee Kirton

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    Victoria married Clifford Charles Dee, my great uncle in North portal Saskatchewan Canada abt 1920 although I cannot find evidence of the marriage. Both were from the UK.
    Clifford was a miner in Bienfait. He died in Estavan Hospital abt 1931.
    At the time of his death I am told that they had divorced and Clifford had custody of their daughter and she was adopted. It is thought that Victoria married again and had another daughter.
    Victoria appears twice on the 1926 census. Once with her husband in Bienfait and also in Long Lake, Sask.
    I would like to establish whether she did marry Cliff, were they divorced and who did Victoria marry the second time? Also the name of her second daughter. I can find no trace of her after the census of 1926.
    Thank you
     
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    Thank you so much for your help. I have his army records and I understand he was a founding member of the Bienfait Legion branch. I believe his funeral was organised and paid for by the Leigion.
    It is strange that there is so much personal information available in his army records but I am getting nowhere with his marriage and divorce or the whereabouts of Victoria. I have been trying to solve this for many years and hopefully I will get a results one day.
     
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    Census - 1926

    Event Place - Assiniboia, Saskatchewan, Canada

    Clifford C Dee - Head of Household - 40 - Jersey Islands
    Clarace Dee - Wife - 27 - England
    Dora Dee - Daughter - 3 - Saskatchewan
     
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    Clifford Dee
    Event Type - Immigration
    Departure - Liverpool
    Arrival Date - 14 Apr 1912
    Event Place - Halifax, Nova Scotia, Canada
    Age - 26
    Birth Year (Estimated) - 1886
    Birthplace - Eng
    Ship Name - Corsican

    Clarace and Dora must have made a trip to England at some point, as on 26th October 1928 they left Liverpool on the Montclare, they had been staying at 44 Upper Pleasley, Nr. Mansfield.
     
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    For some reason Clarice and her daughter are also on the same census at Long Lake and her occupation was a “domestic”. I am guessing that she had left Cliff and taken her daughter Dora with her but Cliff was reluctant to leave her off the census.
    I know what happened to Dora and her life after she was abandoned by her mother and her father died.
     
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    Also listed on burial record as Clifford CLARENCE Dee and age 48
     
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    Canada Passenger lists 1881-1922 have Clarice V Kirton arriving on the Minnedosa Nov 1919. She has stated she was 21 years and was immigrating from England to be married to C? in Dec, travelling to North Portal and her occupation was a brass finisher.
     
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    I wonder if Clarice was still around. Where did the name CLARENCE come from?
     
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    Hi,
    I think that this was a mix up of the name Clarice and Clarence as he was definitely Clifford Charles. Family memories if true are that Clarice once turned up years later with another daughter and she did have family relatives in the area who were also miners. There was quite an age difference between Clifford and Victoria Clarice. I wonder if she had ever met Cliff before she set sail for Canada or whether there was some kind of arrangement?
     
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    Private Archibald Adolphus Louis Dee born May 9 1891 Jersey, grew up in Gloucester, immigrated to North Portal in 1914, died in Northern France 1918...is this Cliffords brother?
    Although Clifford isnt mentioned as brother on his memorial.
     
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    Yes. They emigrated to Canada with two sisters. Cliff was in the British Navy before they emigrated but that didn't go well!!
    Both brothers signed up for the Canadian Forces. Archie was killed in France and Cliff went back to mining. Conditions in the mining industry were terrible and there was a strike in 1931. 3 miners were shot dead during the riots. Cliff died the following year and it is possible due to a mining accident but once again records are not open and cause of death is not recorded on Canadian death certificates. Yet another stumbling block to overcome.
     

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    Thats the photo I found of Archie. Nice looking young man.
    Just had a quick read of the Estevan Riot.
     
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    Have you checked the newspapers to see if there is anything there?
     
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    A description of the company living quarters from the 16 year old daughter of a miner...
    "One bedroom, two beds in there, dining room, no beds in there, kitchen, one bed, and eleven in the family...I think we need a bigger place than that. When it is raining the rain comes in the kitchen. There is only one ply of paper, cardboard paper nailed to about 2 inch wood board..It is all coming down and cracked..When the weather is frosty, when you wake up in the morning you cannot walk on the floor because it is all full of snow, right around the room"
    Im not sure Clarice knew what she was getting into. Perhaps she may have done the only thing she could.
     
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    Yes, both for Bienfait and Estivan. The Canadian newspapers are not indexed so it meant trawling through every edition.
     
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    Times were hard here in the UK at that time and I guess Canada was seen as the Promised Land. Clarice had family over there (Taylor) so they should have been aware. As she was born in 1901 it is possible she lived until 1970/1980 but until I find a divorce/ remarriage for her then I am up against a brick wall. We are so fortunate here in the UK to be able access documents so easily.
     
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