WALLs of Collegiate School, Knighton.

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  1. Chimp

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    I have been lent a newspaper cutting concerning the Collegiate school in Knighton. It says that the head mistress was a Miss WALL. The article was from the Express and Times Gazette 24 February 1968.

    When I give the cutting back I would like to be able to tell the gent, who lent it me, who the WALLs were. The cutting does give the location that the school had been situated in, 5 different buildings in all, gradually diminishing in size. But no one seems to know who the Walls were and where they came from.

    Any help would be appreciated.

    (The gent has said he will lend me some cuttings on the old workhouse too :). Hope to see him at my favourite watering hole on Friday )
     
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    I wonder if the local Record Office has any of the school records from that time? They might provide dates of when Miss WALL was there.
     
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    In the cutting, the person writing it said they had never heard of the school until they saw an old advertisement for it in a paper from 1891.

    Maybe if I can get their names from the censuses I could start from there ?
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Or Electoral rolls Chimp? Not sure if Ancestrys' phone-books are up to that.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    http://
    forebears.co.uk/o/ebz' Teacher's Registration Council Registers (1870-1948)

    Do you have FMP access? & good guessing ability?
     
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    1911 census Reg Dist 613 Schedule 17 Piece 33652
    Collegiate School Knighton
    Mary Louisa Wall - Head - 68 - Single - English, Music etc - Employer - Warwick, Birmingham
    Fanny Wall - Sister - 60 - Single - General Helper - Assistant - Warwick, Birmingham

    Will e-mail you later - have to go out in a mo!

    Ann
     
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    in 1891 Mary L. Wall is described as a Professor of Music

    Ann
     
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    Thank you very much indeed Ann, That is a great help {-(^^)-}

    Thank you very much for the emails too. Absolutely brilliant.
     
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    Could I be a real pain in the rear and ask for an 1851 census lookup for

    FANNY WALL born 1851 Birmingham (think there should only be one)

    Trying to get to grips with her sisters and family.
     
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    1890 housekeeper for Wheeldon family in Aston
    1871 Servant to Collins Family- Kings Norton
    1861 Dtr to James H.Wall 52 & Sarah 57 all b. birmingham.
    Mary K. Wall 18
    Sarah A. 15-1846
    Fanny 11-1850
    Emily 8-1853
    all b. Birmingham.
     
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    Mutters I am not bossy, I just have better ideas.

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    Is she likely to be a niece to William and Mary Matthews?
     
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    In 1851, Fanny Wall is 11 months old (b Birmingham) - the niece of 32-yr old Susannah Walker, Coffee House Keeper (Unmarried, b Birmingham). Address:39 Bull Street.
    Also present are:
    Visitor, Richard Bennett, 34yrs, unm Foreman, b Redditch
    Visitor, Henry Aston, 33yrs, m Needle Polisher, b Redditch
    Servant, Sarah Ann Robinson, 19yrs, unm House Servant, b Birmingham
    Servant, Eliza Skinner, 24yrs, unm Cook, b Birmingham
    Servant, Louisa Jones, 20yrs, unm Waiter, b Wolverhampton
    Servant, Ellen Hadley/Bradley, 14yrs, unm Nurse, b Birmingham
    Servant, Patrick Murray, 22yrs, m Porter, b Ireland

    Source: Birmingham/St Mary/District 5/page 5
    Jane
     
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    1861 error: Mary Wall has an ' L' 2nd initial.
    need wake up brekky. forgot this bit:
    1871 Mary L.Wall is a teacher of Music in Louth.
    : RG10; Piece: 3403; Folio: 6; Page: 8;
    (Crown copywrite TNA)
     
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    Mutters I am not bossy, I just have better ideas.

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    Sounds possible this is the family if Fanny is with her uncle and aunt.
    Living Special Street (I think it says that)
    All born Birmingham, St. Martin
    John Horatio Wall / Head / age 42 / 1809 (Eating house keeper)
    Sarah Wall / Wife / age 41 / 1810
    William H Wall / Son / age 11 / 1840
    Mary L Wall / Dau / age 8 / 1843
    Sarah A Wall / Dau / age 5 / 1846
    James Wall / Son / age 4 / 1847
    William Wall / Father / age 74 / 1777 / born Chatham (retired Pawn Broker)
    with servants: Margaret Stanley, Fanny Malinson, Emma Griffin, Jemina Palmer and Andrew Bardon.
    HO107/2053/481/35
     
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    Mutters I am not bossy, I just have better ideas.

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    Sorry, William and Mary are next door to Susannah Walker and Fanny. Susannah does not have anything written in the relationship column to say she is the head of the household.
     
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    Mutters I am not bossy, I just have better ideas.

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    In 1901 Mary Louisa Wall and Fanny are in Knighton. Mary is a teacher and Fanny is her sister (looks like assistant governess). There are a couple of other governesses, a housekeeper, a servant and five pupils. If you want their names just shout.

    I cannot read the address, it looks like Pinzhoo/s ? but next door is Stapley House and next door to that is Ludlow Road.
    RG13/5181/5/2
     
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    Peulios..PNG
    Peurlios?
     
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    Thank you all very very much. I have now been doing some digging of my own, armed with all the information posted here.

    It is (Upper) Penrhos. It is next to Stapley House, which is now a residential home for the aged. Stapley House is on the junction to Presteigne road and Ludlow road.
    I wonder if Sarah, Fanny's mother, had been married previously. I have found this marriage.

    Groom: James Horatia Wall
    Bride: Sarah Hather
    Married 10th August 1834 in Edgbaston, Warwickshire

    Or is Hather a mistranscription of Walker.

    James died in 1867 aged 57.

    Children

    Sarah Jane born 14th August 1836
    William Horatio born 2nd April 1839
    Jane Amelia born 2nd December 1840
    Mary Louisa born 25th November 1842
    Sarah Ann born 1845
    James born 1847
    Fanny born 1850
    Emily born 1852

    I think I may have found the burials for 3 of the sisters here in Knighton. Taken from the Radnorshire MI's

    Mary Wall died 1920 aged 83
    Fanny Wall died 1929 aged 78
    Emily Wall died 1937 aged 84

    The 3 sisters seem to all be buried in the same grave, Grave Ref. K044. I will take a walk around the cemetery tomorrow and see if I can find the stone.

    Thank you to everyone who helped sort this out for me.
     
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    Not that this answers any questions, but in 1841 we have
    HO1071/1142/6 folio 14 paged 19 (Crown Copyright)
    Birmingham St Martin
    Philip Street
    James H. Wall - 30 - Coffee House - Y
    Sarah Wall - 30 - Y
    Wm. Wall - 2 - Y
    Amelia Wall - 7m? - Y

    Ann
     
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    1895 Kelly's directory for South Wales, in list of private schools:
    Miss May Louisa Wall, Station road, Knighton
    (asterisked, which means girls' school according to key; presumably a day school as it is not marked with the symbol for boarding school)

    1910 Kelly's directory for South Wales, in list of private schools:
    Miss May L. Wall, Penrhos, Knighton
    (marked ||, meaning girls' school)

    Listing of private residents in Kelly's directory for South Wales, 1923
    Miss Wall, The Myrtles, Bridge Street, Knighton, Radnor

    I can't see any Miss Wall in the list of private schools in the same directory. There is a Purcell House School (mixed) (Mrs. Helena M. Knapp, principal), Wylcwm place, Knighton.
     
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