What a family.... Not mine

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  1. Chimp

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    Richard Chandler was from a large family in Beguildy, Radnorshire although his native town was Knighton, Radnorshire.

    Hereford Journal 28 August 1844
    Richard Chandler and Thomas Pinches, convicted at the late quarter sessions, Chandler for ten years and Pinches for fourteen years transportation. Pinches was under 19 years of age; and a good-looking, active young man. He was sentenced for the above period both from his crime and his bad character, as every means had been tried to reclaim him. He had been convicted five different times, and previous to the last quarter sessions for Radnorshire he had served twelve months in Monmouth gaol, and committed the offence for which he was sentenced as he was coming home to his native town, Knighton. The convicts above named were, under a proper escort, removed per the Cheltenham mail, on Wednesday, the 14th, instant, to Millbank Penitentiary.

    Millbank Prison was a prison in Millbank, Pimlico, London, originally constructed as the National Penitentiary, and which for part of its history served as a holding facility for convicted prisoners before they were transported to Australia

    Sentenced for a term of 10 years on 4th July 1844. Ttransported on the Sir Robert Peel, departing 6th September 1844. He arrived in Van Diemen's Land on 26th December, 1844.

    He was related to the Bowen family of Beguildy, Radnorshire. This family were notorious for living chiefly by plunder.

    His brother Peter had been transported on the Medway, 28th July 1825 arriving in Van Diemen's Land on 14th December, 1825.

    Their mother ? was found guilty of forgery, and sentence of death. Her friends broke her out of prison and she was on the run for 3 years before being recaptured in Birmingham. By the time she was apprehended the death penalty no longer stood for this crime. She was transported for life. I have no date for this. The only female Chandler from Radnorshire (that I can find) is Sarah Chandler:-

    Sarah Chandler, transported on the Friendship, June 1817 for life, arriving in New South Wales 14th January, 1818

    Whether this is her or not I do not know.

    Her nephew and Richards' cousin, Morgan Bowen, was sentenced for a term of 7 years on 17 October 1844. He departed on 22nd June 1846 on the Maitland for Van Diemen's Land. The convicts disembarked at Port Phillip and not Van Diemen's Land. they arrived on 27th October, 1846

    Morgans' father, Francis Bowen, was sentenced for a term of 10 years on 26 March 1845. he departed on 30th June 1845 onboard the Equestrian arriving in Van Diemen's Land on 15th October, 1845.

    Is there any way I can find out (for free, I'm a cheap skate :D ) what became of them?
     
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    Daft Bat Administrator. Chief cook & bottle washer! Staff Member

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    The Tasmanian Government has a website where you can search for various records.
    http://
    linctas.ent.sirsidynix.net.au/client/en_AU/names/

    I have managed to find the convict records for Richard CHANDLER and have emailed you the link. :)
     
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    Thank you very much Jan. I will go take a look :)
     
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    Thank you again Jan. The record gives a very good description of the man. Unable to read most of what is written about him. Wish they did transcripts.
     
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    Can I ask what age you think it says he is
    age.jpg
     
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    Daft Bat Administrator. Chief cook & bottle washer! Staff Member

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    Well, it could be 34, with the 4 written oddly... o_O or it could be 36... :confused:
     
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  7. MollyMay

    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    36 perhaps - any other numbers on the page that you can compare it to?
     
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    Thank you both.

    There is a marriage for a Richard Chandler aged 46 in 1853 to a Charlotte Hampstone.

    Records say :-

    Marriages 22 Sep 1853 Launceston
    Chandler, Richard, Male, 46
    Hampstone, Charlotte, Female, 40

    Looks like he left Launceston for Melbourne on 26 Aug 1854 onboard the Royal Shepherd.

    It says he came to the colony aboard the Sir Robert Peel
    and is now Free by servitude
     
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    Bay Horse Can be a bit of a dark horse

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    Phew. I felt sure by the thread title that you'd found some of mine! :oops:

    It looks like 36 to me, too.
     
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    When I hit the "like" button for Chimp's original post it asked if I was sure I wanted to like the post. Never had that happen before :eek:
    For the record, I say 36 !
     
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    Mealymoo A Busy Lizzy

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    Thank you Moo, I had seen that he was lost at sea during a whaling trip on the site that Jan found.

    What you have found actually explains what happened.

    Thank you.
     
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    Anyone fancy a go at transcribing this for me please. I wouldn't ask but I'm useless at reading old documents :oops: richard 2.jpg
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    Unfortunately my one finger left hand typing is too slow. We'd be here till doomsday. Just need someone to dictate to. Sorry. Archie's Dad is busy ironing....
     
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    AnnB Editor in Chief who is Hot off the Press!

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    You and I must have hit the button at the same time - it completely threw me, I thought it was Chimp having a laugh......:rolleyes:

    Ann
     
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    Sorry Chimp
    Got the first couple but the rest..
     
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    All help is greatly received.
     
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    But imagine the suspense for Chimp,lol
     
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    Best I can do for now

    Emerged from gang 26 March 1846 _____________ drunk and in a public house after hours. seven days solitary __________________
    _____________ Absent without leave, Three_______________hard labour _______________ __________________ ___________18/12/48.
    10 July 49 __________ ___________ _____________ refusing to work 14 days solitary. _____________

    11/6/50

    5 Aug 50.___________ ___________Drunk fined???_________ ____________ 23 Jan 53 _________ _____________drunk fined 5/
    20 Sept 53__________ _______________drunk fined 5/ ________23 Sept 53 ________ __________ drunk fined 5/
     
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    I have had a go at the LHS.

    Emerged from gang 26 March1846

    15 Sept / 48 Layf t (?) drunk in a public place after hours 7 days solitary / CH

    5 P? Gang L? absent without leave three mths ? hard labour Tonbridge(?) /W-/?18/12/48

    10 July 49 ? ? misconduct in refusing to work 14 days solitary /CH/

    11/6/50 JL

    5 Aug/50 ? Larm (Laim?) Drunk fined 5/- /WG/
    23 Jany 53 JL /Larm/ Drunk fined 5/- /JL/
    20 Sept 53 JL /Larm/ Dunk fined 5/- /WG/
    23 Sept 53 JL /Larm/ Drunk fined 5/-

    ? 1854 Launceston
     
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