What genes did Hannah Briggs bring to the Kable family tree?

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    Biit of a schamozzle but here is the basic data;

    Hannah Briggs (sometimes Hannah Harriett Briggs) [GRO: BRIGGS, HANNAH; [mother] PEDGRIFT GRO Reference: 1848 J Quarter in WANGFORD Volume 13 Page 540]. Note that the GRO says her mother’s maiden name was Pedgrift. However she is claimed in family trees to be the daughter of Rhoda Blowers and John Briggs.


    I cannot find a marriage for either John Briggs with Rhoda Blowers nor with a Pedgrift.


    Meanwhile I also cannot find a baptism for a Rhoda Blowers or Pedgrift.


    Back at the ranch, Hannah Briggs has a child, Mary Ann Briggs in 1871, no other surname on the GRO but I suspect the father is a William Calver who was living in the Briggs household. Next up Hannah married Robert Calver, brother of William. They had 4 children together before Mr Calver died.


    Then Hannah (as widow Calver) married my relative John Keable (also Keeble, Cable, Kable). They had an additional 2 children together: Alice Louisa and Agnes Ethel, both registered Cable and Briggs. As a real topper, Alice Louisa Cable marries her cousin William Keable in 1912!


    I would like to know whose genes Hannah Briggs carried into the Family Tree without having to dig my way through DNA test lists!
     
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    There is on FS a Rhoda Blowers 13/1/1834 father Henry Blowers and mother Mary Benns, Beccles Suffolk. It is rather a bit early as Hannah was born in 1848 but perhaps Hannah was the daughter of John Briggs and ? Pedgriff and John later married Rhoda.
     
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    There is a 25 year Rhoda Pedgrift on 1841 age 25 born Norfolk.
    Page 7 HO107 758/16
    Living with John Pegdfrift 75
    Eliza 30
    Charles 35
    Edmund Miller 14
    Event place is Alburgh Norfolk
     
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    On the Ancestry Norwich Calver Family Tree (that I cant access) who is Susannah Pedgrift 1814 Norfolk mentioned?
     
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    Did Susannah Pedgrift marry Samuel Calver in 1838 Loddon?
     
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    1841 Wangford, 35 year Samuel Calver is with wife Susan 25, daughter Susan 10 and 2 year old Anna.
    I wonder is this Susannah Pedgrift who marries Samuel in 1838..Samuel dies and then she marries/or not, John Briggs and they have Hannah Harriet.
     
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    NOw to the 1861
    John Briggs head 47 Laxfield Suffolk
    Rhoda Briggs 49 Ellough Suffolk
    James Briggs 20
    George Briggs 17
    Samuel Briggs 13
    ROSANA Briggs 10 age out a bit. ROSANA/Hannah?
    Charles Briggs 6
    4 RG09
    1185/132
    Not sure if any of this makes any sense but this appears to be your John Briggs and his wife Rhoda. But I was wondering if Rhoda and John took in the children of Samuel Calver and Susannah. There are a couple of deaths of a Samuel and a Susannah Calver that could make this a possibility.
     
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    1851 census Rhoda and John Briggs have three children with them. Her daughter Mary Lagon, her son William Lagon and Johns son Henry Briggs. So I think the children on the 1861 must be someone else’s.
    Samuels and Susannah’s?
    Your missing Hannah? (Rosanna)
    Or am I only dreaming :nailbiting:
    If some of the other children on the 1861 have mothers maiden name as Pedgrift then we are in business. Otherwise back to the drawing board.
     
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    Try Samuel Calver registered June 1845 Wangford. I think he is the Samuel Briggs age 13 (out) on the 1861. Hannah may have been a baby when the Briggs took her in and not registered as yet.
     
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    1 Nov 1837 John Briggs 26 bachelor Labourer of Ellough. Rhoda Sagan 26 Widow Workwoman of Ellough. Grooms Father is John Briggs - Labourer. Brides Father is Thomas Pedgrift - Labourer. Witnesses are Henry Briggs and Mary Ann Briggs.
     
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    Baptised 1848 Father John Riggs, mother Rhoda Briggs.
     
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    WOOT!! I have found the solutions myself! Rhoda Pedgrift, parents Thomas and Jemima on the 1841 Census first married a James Sagan (Sagon/Saron etc) and had 2 children, William and Mary. Look above the Briggs on
    Piece 1039
    Book 8
    Folio 6
    Page number 6

    So Rhoda married John Briggs as Rhoda Sagan in 1837 [freeBMD:
    Marriages Dec 1837
    BRIGGS John Wangford 13 1091
    SAGAN Rhoda Wangford 13 1091

    The mix-up at the 1871 Census was where some people got the name Rhoda Blowers for Rhoda Pedgrift but she and her husband John Briggs were merely co-tenants with the Blowers.

    Hannah (not Rosanna) Briggs married Robert Calver. Then she married John Keable, had a daughter registered as Alice Louisa Cable and this Alice Cable married her "cousin" William Keable in 1912!

    OMG!! What a schamozzle!
     
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    All those Briggs children had mother's name as Pedgrift.
     
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    Excellent Sis....so Rhoda was a Pedgrift and she married Sagan, transcribed as Lagon on the 1851.
    So what do you think of Rhoda and Susannah being sisters?
     
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    Rhoda married a James Saggen in 1828 in Suffolk.
     
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    She fooled me for a fewminutes- but Rhoda Pedgrift married to John Briggs in 1837 could not have been in 2 places at once!
     
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    Can't find that marriage. But a Sussane Calver widow marries a Stephen Stanard 1864 Norfolk father Samuel Pedgrift.
     
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    Could be, but I can't find a baptism for either.
     
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    Solved- see further back!
     
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    Seems lots of cousins marrying cousins though.
     
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