What was he? 1861 census.

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  1. Ma-dotcom

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    Not immensely important but intrigued me, I cannot find him after 1871 to see what else he may have been unless it was he in & out of work house. 1851 misnamed as Jones 11. He was born 1839 but ages vary in censuses. I thought maybe wharf roustabout but....??
    Can a clearer pair of eyes work out his occupation please.
    RG 9; Piece: 323; Folio: 50; Page: 34
    James Moulton b.1839/40

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    I cannot work it out either, it appears to be in a different hand from the other entries and it appears on the previous page against Harriet Armstrong (age 24)
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    it looks like where he is absent!!!!!!
     
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    :D it does now you mention it. He was said to be married but I've not found a marriage just a presumption in 1871.
     
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    It actually appears in one form or another against quite a few entries. In each case that I’ve found, it is written beside someone who is stated to be married, but hasn’t got their other half living with them. So, I reckon it says ‘M(arried) where W(ife) is absent’.
     
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    Ripper Ann, thank you, I concentrated on finding him in other years & didn't look about in 1861.
    Been cleaning bathrooms etc, should have stayed on here & stayed pain free.
    Feeling better after reading your findings Ann. :)
    A child said to be born in 1862 may be the reason for wife's absence, not found birth with any surety--some trees have wife as Smith.
     
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    Now so easy:- where H [Husband] is absent.
     
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    If it is your man in 1871 - St John Place, St Olave RG10/626/6/5 - occ ships smith wife Sarah (1840) and 2 children Sarah Ann 1862, Mary Ann 1868

    GRO birth reg for Mary Ann gives mmn Smith - Sept qtr 1867 St Mary Magdalen Bermondsay 1d 73:)

    That said, I couldn't find a birth reg for Sarah Ann with mmn Smith (but I had been on granny duty all day, so was weary!);)
     
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    RG10; Piece: 626; Folio: 6; Page: 5; 1871
    Yes I believe that to be him.

    1881 coincidentally has a Sarah Vaughan with a dtr "" for Sarah A.aged 19 George Vaughan b. Tobago 1836. Sarah gives Totham Essex as birth place-Essex different pen. I wonder if it's meant for Tottenham where she claimed to have been born in 1871.
    Mary Ann not with but I didn't get to check further- popped in another Ambo run for himself & have just arrived home, now Son has gone back to pick him up as things checked out okay.
    RG11; Piece: 535; Folio: 77; Page: 35
    A Mary Ann Moulton married Mr Brien & things look good to be her. Deceased father James, witness Sarah Vaughan.
     
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    There is a Great Totham and a Little Totham in Essex. Tottenham has always been in Middlesex.......:confused:
     
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    Me Too Ann, I didn't find Mr Vaughan earlier or later that I remember, my afternoon became a bit of ablur with family happenings taking my attention. The above mentioned marriage made me sit up & take notice with the Vaughan name, the other witness was Edwin something which also looks a bit like Vaughan, but spelled differently. Bit sleepy now-way past my bedtime. Just waiting for m men to arrive so I can go to bed.
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    It looks like Edwin T/J ounge to me

    I see Mary Ann signed Vaughan as her surname then overwrote Moulton:rolleyes:
     
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    There is a death of James Moulton in 1877 March qtr St Olave 1d 208
    The age is way out at 51 though.
     
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    No sign of Mary Ann Moulton in 1881 but there is a Mary Ann Vaughan working as a domestic servant [b1867 Bermondsey} RG11/524/117/6
     
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    I have seen this before when a child goes by stepfather's name, then marries.
    two more sightings which may be him or not
    James Moulton
    Residence Date: 1875
    Street address: see Moses & Moulton-13 Thornton St. Horsleydown
    Residence Place: London, England
    Occupation: Smith

    James Moulton 9 Joseph St.
    Moulton, James 9, Glenalvon-street -1878.

    I guess I must leave this here Having sorted the original query, as no proving the above. Thanks all for your help here.
     
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    sounds very likely MM, I did I think see that one but had to leave searching & didn't note it down. I did see a Wright family as that name is in my family a few times. Thank you.
     
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    As soon as I read that post I agreed, glad you posted because at first I thought he was going to be something along the lines of a Pimp, having interpreted the third letter of the first word as o. :oops: :)
     
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