What's 'er name please?

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  1. Mutters

    Mutters I am not bossy, I just have better ideas.

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    This is from the 1891 Channel Island census for Alderney.
    RG12/4707 F. 77 P. 2

    I'd like to know the widow's name. It is transcribed as M Pring and she is a relative to the head of the household Walter Count (says Ancestry but he is actually Walter Coomb/es)
    Widow's name - transcribe.JPG
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Surely looks like M Pring from here Mutters, the 'P' matches that in Pensioner further up the page, 'r' looks like others also.

    I wonder if she was related to James from Devon, residing on Guernsey at St Sampson 1891?
    She may be Mary Pring-widow/servant on Guernsey 1881?
     
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    Mutters I am not bossy, I just have better ideas.

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    Thanks Ma, it does look like Pring.
    How on earth do I connect him/her to Walter, though both seem to be born in Devonshire. :(
    A tomorrow job for me, methinks.
     
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    Mealymoo A Busy Lizzy

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    Another site has her as Pring also, but they have indexed Walter as Coomb
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    I don't have site for Channel Island marriages for Walter & his Mary nor the births of children. It's only a guess that they married on the island as Mary was said to be born there.
    I've been around the censuses & FreeBmd a bit but am overdue to start my day so will have another lookee laterForgto, closest I came on Familysearchwas the birth of a child: Esme Marion Frances Coombes.
    Pts Garnet Arthur & Marion Emily Marr.
    28 Jul 1906
    Birthplace: Saint Pierre Port, Guernsey, Channel Islands
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    1871 Channel Islands Census about Mary Ollivier
    Thomas & Mary Ollivier +Mary Ollivier-4 Months
    Town: St Ann
    County/Island: Alderney
    RG10; Piece: 5770; Folio: 40; Page: 16
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    1871
    James Pring -shoemaker
    Age: 18
    Estimated Birth Year: abt 1853
    Relation: Nephew
    Gender: Male
    Where born: Tiverton, Devon, England
    Civil Parish: Chipstable
    RG10; Piece: 2359; Folio: 36; Page: 5;
    is he the same chap?
    .....

    1873
    Oct-Nov-Dec
    Reg: Honiton Devon
    Volume Number: 5b-37
    James Pring
    Marianne Corner Clapp
    Mary Ann C Clapp
    Mary Anne C Clapp
    Sarah Ann Rosewell
    William Savery
    ..records suggest Sarah Rosewell married William Savery, ergo James married Mary/ianne Clapp.
    Maybe different people.
    .........
    1891
    James still a boot/shoe maker his sis-in-law Elizabeth Clapp 45,(His or hers?) is staying with him & his Wife Sarah of Devon.
    RG12; Piece: 4704; Folio: 31; Page: 29;
    .............

    1881 Ilminster
    County/Island: Somerset
    Name Age
    James Pring 28 insurance agent. ?
    Mary Ann Pring 30 (36)seemstress.
    Annie Mary Pring 5
    Jessie Pring
    RG11; Piece: 2384; Folio: 15; Page: 1
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    1901 at Crabby, St.Anne Alderney
    Walter now from Alderney, a stoker E D
    MAry 30, Arthur 12, Ellen 11, Adele 8, Walter 5, all of Alderney.+ boarders.
    With Ollivier -Thomas 221,Susan 222, MAry 8mths.
    RG13; Piece: 5324; Folio: 43; Page: 3.
    ..............
    Taking Mary Coombes to be nee Ollivier I found a grove of trees on Ancestry for her.
    Worth a look.
    As for M. Pring- I got rather overwhelmed & am now going to lunch. good luck here Lass.
    ps. Mary is an guess, may not be correct, many Mary Prings out there tho', some prove wrong via island censuses.

    Crown copywrite TNA
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    I really must go to lunch, washing all hung out, mee too..had to add this one re PRING James:
    1901
    James & Sarah PRING
    Annie M. 24 & Jessie ( Hani) 21 both as shoemakers 'own account' at home as is James. At Sidmouth, Devon.
    RG13; Piece: 2024; Folio: 102; Page:
    Crown copywrite TNA

    see 1881 Illminster,census
    RG11; Piece: 2384; Folio: 15; Page: 1
     
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    Philippa Always a lady.

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    Wot's 'er name Mutters? Well if I were my late m-in-law I would say to you "YOU KNOW" and then get very peeved when you point out you have never heard of said lady before!! :confused:

    However, as I'm not, I'll just say "best of good old British m'girl".

    I've almost given up chasing someone reportedly in my ancestry whose name appeared out of the blue and nobody can remember who first mentioned her, let alone what proof they had of her existence - but many, many people have her in their respective trees anyway. At least you have a RECORDED name to work on, mine only comes I'm sure via the brothers Grimm.

    :mad::(
     
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    Mutters I am not bossy, I just have better ideas.

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    Thank you so much Ma, you have been busy.
    I know nothing about this family. A friend gave me his grandfather's death certificate a couple of days ago and asked if I could find out about him.

    The mother's name on the death certificate is Mary Ann Ollivier so I am sure you are heading in the right direction.

    M Pring must be a relative of his great grandfather Walter Coombs.
    So I am off to Devon to try and join the dots between the Coombs, Prings and Clapps.

    No doubt I'll have a few more questions to put on another thread.
    Thanks again. (Shame we don't have a clap smiley) :)
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    I miss the 'thumbs up'.
    Had a very interesting time on this yesterday Mutters, probably made a mystery where none existed, but it kept my thought off the postal person who hasn't delivered yet.
    Several varieties of Mary Clapp b, Devon around the required time. If I'd pursued anymore I would have run out of day, but thanks for the trip. I saved you the best part of the search ;)
     
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    Mutters I am not bossy, I just have better ideas.

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    I love mysteries, all good fun.
    I'm trawling around and enjoying myself. What better to do on a Sunday afternoon when it is too hot to step out of doors.

    Thanks for your help and I hope your postie delivers tomorrow. ;)
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Taa Mutters, that's how I spent my Sunday in part, now if the posty comes through today, that would be excellent as tomorrow I'm away to play visitor downriver. :)
     
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