Whipmaking Billingham's

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  1. BrollyLady

    BrollyLady New Member

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    I am interested the Billingham family who were whipmakers. Thought to be always from Manchester, I believe they actually migrated from Daventry via Birmingham in the early 1800's. In particular I'm looking for Thomas and Lydia Billingham and birth information on a son, Abraham (my ggreat grandfather).
     
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    You probably have all of this but just in case

    Groom Thomas BILLINGHAM, Bachelor, of Daventry - made his mark
    Bride Lidia WILLOUGHBY, Spinster, of Daventry - made her mark
    Marriage 05 Jan 1809 Holy Cross, Daventry, Northamptonshire
    Witnesses Joseph PEBODY and Sarah HICKMAN
    Married after Banns.
    Register Number 346

    Children of Thomas and Lydia BILLINGHAM. All baptised at Holy Cross, Daventry, Northamptonshire

    Maria
    DOB. 03 Sep 1809
    Bap. 28 Sep 1809
    Father Occupation, Whip-maker

    Jane
    DOB. 10 Oct 1810
    Bap. 27 Dec 1810
    Father Occupation, Labourer (?)

    Elizabeth
    Bap. 08 Jun 1813
    Father Occupation, Whip-maker

    Mary Ann
    Baptism 07 Jun 1814
    Register Number 146
    Father Occupation, Whip-maker

    Could this be the baptism registration of Lydia

    Lyddia WILLOUGHBY
    DOB. 12 Mar 1786
    Bap. 26 Dec 1786 Holy Cross, Daventry, Northamptonshire
    Father Jno.
    Mother Jane

    If it is then Lydia would have been 22 years old when she married Thomas.

    I'm unable to find a baptism for an Abraham with parents Thomas and Lydia.

    I have found 2 others, one born around the same time and one born much later than these children.

    Abraham Billingham
    christening: 23 August 1818 Litchborough, Northamptonshire
    father: Joseph Billingham
    mother: Ann Billingham

    Abraham Billingham
    christening: 1 July 1845 Daventry, Northamptonshire
    father: Samuel Billingham
    mother: Maria

    There is a baptism in Birmingham with parents Thomas and Lydia BILLINGHAM

    John BILLINGHAM
    DOB, 16 February 1816
    Bap. 25 February 1817 St. Martin's, Birmingham, Warwickshire
    Father Thomas
    Mother Lydia

    If this is the same family it means they left Daventry sometime between the Bap. of Mary Ann in 1814 and the Bap. of John in 1817.
     
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    Mealymoo A Busy Lizzy

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    1841 census, Silver St Manchester.

    Elizabeth Billingham 55, born Lancashire
    Abraham Billingham 21, Whip Maker, born Lancashire
    HO107; 571/4/6/7
     
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    Marriage, Dec 25th 1844 at Manchester Cathedral.
    Abraham Billingham full age, bachelor, Whip Maker, 14, Silver St, father Thomas (Whip Maker)
    Rosannah Harrison, full age, spinster, 20, Silver St, father William (Roller Maker)
     
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    As you can see from post #2 Jane's father is entered as a Labourer even though on the previous and all subsequent baptisms he is a Whip maker.

    The posts #3 and #4 by Moo (;)) Abraham is a Whip maker. On the baptism of Abraham and Rosanna's son in 1849 Abraham is entered as a Labourer.

    William Edward BILLINGHAM
    Born: 24 Mar 1849, Silver Street
    Baptism: 18 Apr 1849 St Simon and St Jude, Manchester, Lancashire
    Father Abraham, Labourer
    Mother Rosannah
    Baptised by: John Bywater
    Register: Baptisms 1842 - 1849, Page 188, Entry 1502
     
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    Marriage Manchester Cathedral, 10th Sept 1828.
    Thomas Billingham widower, Whip Maker, to Elizabeth Campbell, spinster.
     
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    There is a burial for Lydia BILLINGHAM in 1826 in Chorlton Upon Medlock, Manchester. I do not have full access to see the complete date.
     
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    There's also a burial for Thomas Billingham in Chorlton upon Medlock in 1839 born 1788.
     
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    Abraham and Rosannah are on various censuses, if you don't have them BrollyLady do say and details can be posted.
     
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    Wow. You've all been so busy. Thank you. I was a little doubtful I was on the right track (wouldn't be the first time I've run up a wrong branch).
    Lydia has been hunch on my part because her age has been questionable, married at 22 but supposedly 36 when she was buried in 1826? And I still can't prove her link to Abraham.
    Abraham has been inconsistent with his age and name (Billingham/Billington) despite being able to write. He claims to have been born in Manchester about 1818 -1821 but I can't find a record of baptism.
    As for the sisters, I found two possible marriage records where the name used is Bellingham. Whip making seems to be the only consistent link between them.
    There is also another, Joseph born about 1823 and died 1827 in Liverpool. Again I can not find a baptism record but the link is his father Thomas, who was a Whip maker.
    Oh Boy!! I would appreciate any suggestions as to where to look next.
     
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    Hi there BrollyLady,

    It might be worth whizzing off an email to one of our linked Family History Societies - the Manchester and Lancashire - to see if they can point you in the direction of any will that Thomas might have left. With any luck, it might name his children as well as his widow.
     
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    The burial record for Joseph BILLINGHAM appears in Ancestry's Non-conformist registers and took place at the Necropolis Burial Ground, Everton on 1 July 1827 son of Thos & Elizh of Duncan St, aged 4 and cause of death was "Accident" - just in case you do not have full details.

    The actual marriage record of Thomas BILLINGHAM, widower, Whip Maker & Elizabeth CAMPBELL, spinster, both of the parish, shows that it took place on 10 September 1826 at Manchester Cathedral. I checked the marriage date because of the burial record of Joseph which showed the parents to be Thomas & Elizabeth in 1827.

    Janet
     
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    There is also a marriage at Manchester Cathedral on 18 October 1836 between John BILLINGHAM, bachelor, Whip Maker & Elizabeth WILES, spinster, both of the parish. Could he be the son of Thomas & Lydia?? Full details of the marriage of Maria BELLINGHAM at Manchester St John on 1 September 1839, she being shown as a spinster of full age, father Thomas BELLINGHAM, Whip Maker, to George WARBURTON, full age, widower, can't read his occupation, father Joseph WARBURTON, Coach Maker.

    Janet
     
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    Just had to look at the occ. of George Warburton, seems to be 'reed maker' yet on 1851-1861 he is a wood turner.
    Perhaps the reeds were as for musical wind intruments such as pipes or the time.
     
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    Reedmaker: 1) Made weaving reeds - a reed is a comb-like device for 'beating' the weft thread into place as it is passed by the shuttle, the warp threads passing between the teeth of the reed 2) Made reeds or pipes for musical instruments 3) Made reed cloth 4) Made tapestry combs
    (Source: Index of Old Occupations) :)
     
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    We must be on the same wave length, I spent an hour checking out their website last night and decided to make contact with them after the holidays.
     
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    I checked out the MLFHS last night and they had a list of reed makers for the Manchester area and George was on there. The reeds are part of the looms used for weaving.
     
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    There must be something in the wind! Last night I got an email from John and Elizabeth's gggranddaughter so hopefully she can help with my queries and I can help her with hers.
     
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    This is one of the reasons for my discontent, Elizabeth is stated as Joseph's mother when he died in 1827 aged 4 and Elizabeth is listed as Abraham's mother in the 1841 census. My instincts tell me Thomas was bitter about Lydia's early death and to ensure the children's acceptance of Elizabeth, he refused to acknowledge Lydia's existence. Unfortunately I can't find a certificate to prove it!!
     
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    Beware! Relationships are not recorded in the 1841 census. ;)
     

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