Who does Henry Searles belong to.

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  1. Findem

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    Got a odd one here.

    There are two Henry Searles and one of them married Mary Ann Smith 20 Oct 1857, said to be in Great Leighs Essex, that info comes from a Public Tree on Ancestry and from the book on Essex Searles by Ken Searles.

    Let me state now I have no reason to doubt Ken Searles research he was very thorough, but I cannot find those marriage details on FreeReg, Ancestry's EPRI, Family Search or FMP.

    What I have found from Free BMD is Henry Searles married Mary Ann Smith Dec quarter 1857 Chelmsford Registration District, vol 4a page 205. Great Leighs is in the Chelmsford Registry District, I have by the way sent for the Marriage Certificate because there is a problem attached which I'm relying on the cert to solve.

    Both Ken Searles and the Public Tree claim that Henry is a son of my ancestors Thomas and Sophia Searles and was baptised 1825/6 at Great Leighs, the Censuses back that claim but I'll be darned if i can find it and I've looked several times over the years.

    The only Henry Searles I can find is one baptised 26 Nov 1826 at Braintree Independent (Congregational) the son of William Searles and his wife Hannah Taylor, the register noted the abode of William and Hannah was Great Leighs. Those are also related to my Searles line.

    Oddly, the Ken Searles book, the Public tree and Censuses show the two daughters of Henry and Mary Ann Searles, Eliza born 1847 and Emma born 1851. I do wonder if Henry and Mary Ann could have got away with, as it would have been considered in those days, 'living in sin', that amount of time, Great Leighs back then was a small village, especially the part of Great Leighs Henry and Mary Ann lived in, Chatley Hamlet, everyone would know everyone's business

    So the reason I've now sent for the marriage cert for Henry and Mary Ann is so I can ascertain who the father of Henry is, Thomas or William, also the name of Mary Ann's father will help to determine which Mary Ann Smith she is, there are too many.

    From my recent research it seems that the only record of the 1857 marriage for Henry is the details for ordering the certificate.

    I'm beginning to consider my Searles a bit of a pain, I will be glad to put this family to bed. :)

    Even the other children of Thomas and Sophia Searles were difficult to round up, two at Gt Waltham C of E, then two at Felsted C of E, two at Braintree Congregational, one at Great Leighs C of E, then one at Braintree Cong and the last two at Great Leighs C of E, that is of course if Henry turns out to be theirs.

    I will post the conclusion of this once I have received the marriage cert.
     
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    If they were Non-Conformist, they would not show up in the Parish Registers and may show up as having married at the Registry Office. Just a thought...

    I would be interested to see what is on the certificate as well. :)
     
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    Yes my thoughts too Jan, I wasn't too sure whether they could be married in an Independent chapel or not.

    In the family of Thomas and Sophia Searles, two daughters are giving me trouble with marriages, an Elizabeth Sarle baptised 1815 Gt Leighs C of E married James Turner, March quarter 1838, Eliza Searles baptised 1824 Braintree Ind. married Samuel Smith, September quarter 1840, both marriages in the Chelmsford Reg District but I cant find a church marriage for them.

    A Webb family who married into the Smith family baptised three of their children at Braintree Ind, the parents were noted as "of Great Leighs", one of those daughters married my ancestor Isaac Smith, Isaac was from the Great Leighs Smiths.

    I'm wondering if there were many families in Great Leighs who turned to the Congregational church at Braintree.

    Now for an impatient wait for the marriage certificate. :)
     
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    The Non-Conformists were rather widespread in Essex in the 19th century.

    Although later, my great grandparents in Ashdon, near Saffron Walden, were christened at their local parish church where they also married. After their first child was born, they converted to Baptists, were baptised as such and all of their subsequent children were baptised in the Baptist Chapel.

    Actually, their eldest child was the first person to have their marriage recognised at Ashdon Baptist Chapel, which took place in 1898. All other marriages that had taken place there were recorded as being Register Office weddings.
     
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    have you ever considered the Henry found on Familysearch

    Event Type Marriage
    Event Date
    1847
    Event Place
    Chelmsford, Essex, England
    Name
    Henry Searles
    Page
    61
    Volume
    12
    Affiliate Line Number
    13
    Registration Quarter
    Apr-May-Jun
    Registration Year
    1847
    Possible Spouse
    Emma Alefounder
     
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    I think that the Henry above is son of William and Hannah born Nov 1826
     
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    Yes the Henry Searles who married Emma Alefounder is the son of William Searles and his wife Hannah Taylor, I have the details, somewhere!

    William is the third (son) child of Thomas Serle and his wife Sarah Willers aka Willis and the younger brother of the Thomas Searles who married Sophia Fuel aka Fewell.

    Now to find where the devil I've recorded the details of the marriage of William Searles and Hannah Taylor.

    Found it! They married 26 Apr 1814 at Felsted.

    I'm pretty sure I've found the Henry Searles their son, have to find the record.
     

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