Who was Herbert Watts Davies?

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  1. Brentor boy

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    In1881 Herbert Watts Davies, son, aged 16, born Somerset, was recorded in the household of Richard and Mary Davies, Ystradyfodwg. ( RG11. Piece/ folio 5301/34. Page 18).

    Richard Davies, b1835, Swansea, married Mary Llewellyn, born 1836, Merthyr Tydfil, in June 1856, Merthyr Tydfil. Their known children - Elizabeth, b 1859 Dowlais/Merthyr. ( not traced in 1881), Sarah Anne, b 1865 Aberdare/Merthyr, Rees, b 1867, Aberdare/Merthyr, Jane, b 1871, Ystradyfodwg.

    Also in household in 1881.
    Benjamin D Jones, grandson. Registered as Benjamin Jones Davies, 1876, Pontypridd.
    Jane Rees, mother-in-law. Born Jennet Davies/David circa 1815, Brecknockshire. Married (1) Jenkin Llewellyn (2) John Rees.

    Who was Herbert Someone, born Somewhere, perhaps 1865? I can find no census nor BMD record that seems to match this one reference. Any suggestions will greatly appreciated.
     
  2. MollyMay

    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    Well I am stumped too :headbang:

    No Herbert Watt or Herbert Davi[e]s born in Somerset 1865+/- 2 years.

    All I can think he was an adopted child, but I cannot find him before 1881
     
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    I spent a couple of hours on this too but found nothing positive, I did notice that one of the daughters in the 1881 census was the same age as the boy Herbert
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Could this have been an earlier marriage?
    Name: Herbert Davies
    Gender: Male
    Marital status: Single
    Marriage Date: 19 Feb 1849
    Marriage Place: Bedminster, St John, Somersetshire, England
    Father: Herbert Davies
    Spouse: Mary Trewartha

    or an adoptee by Richard & Mary?
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    I wrote this yesterday before I decided it was incorrect & thought I'd extinguished it. had to leave computer so many times I forgot to check back. Didn't remember how to wipe the board this morning so here it still is.
    My notepad notes have gone into the ether so I remember only that the same named Herbert Watt was on a few more times in Ancestry but I think over seas maybe USA
     
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    Probably way off mark but in 1871 A HerbertW Davies is living with John W Davies born 1835 and Mary Davies born 1836. All born Carmarthenshire.

    Archive reference RG10
    Piece number 5498
    Folio 56
    Page 12 then,Carmarthen ,Wales.
    Lamma Street, St Peter,Carmarthenshire,Wales
     
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    I think he was Herbert William.

    Whilst I accept there may have been some cross migration between the South Wales and North Somerset coal fields, I am not convinced that Somerset was HWD's place of birth. I am also intrigued why he should have been listed between a grand son and mother-in-law, both on whom are one step removed from Richard, head of household. Clearly he was somebody's son, but whose? I am also sceptical that he was registered as a Davies at birth - Benjamin was not.

    And with nothing near a match in 1871 and 1891 I think this is likely to remain one of life's mysteries.
     
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    The nearest birth reg I could come up with was Herbert John Hill Watts
    June qtr 1864 Taunton 5c456
    Looking for the mmn on the GRO index he appears as Henry
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    but the image from FreeBMD clearly shows Herbert
    upload_2019-3-30_19-1-37.png

    Does the name Hill mean anything to you?
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    This is why I find those typed up copies so annoying. Just as many errors as transcriptions from images but we cannot see the original image to be sure who is correct.
     
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