Who was William's Wife?

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    Anyone up for a challenge?

    I'm trying to find who William Jones's wife Anne was and a possible marriage for them.

    William was born around 1810/12

    Anne around 1817 (although I only have her on the 1851 census, she died in March 1860)

    Their children were (years ranges of birth taken from the 1851 - 1891 censuses)

    John 1841 - 1847
    William 1843
    Anne 1845
    Sarah 1845 - 1849
    Mary 1847 - 1848
    Emily/Emma 1852 - 1856
    George 1853 - 1861

    1851 - HO107, Piece 2493, Folio 182, Page 20
    Tynyvron, Cefnkalonogg, Knighton, Radnorshire, Wales

    1861 - RG09, Piece 4234, Folio 40, Page 10
    Red Gate, Clewilsey, Knighton, Radnorshire, Wales

    1871 - RG10, Piece 5595, Folio 60, Page 8
    Red Gate, Llanfair Waterdine, Knighton, Shropshire, England

    1881 - RG11, Piece 5473, Folio 41, Page 9
    Redgate, Llanvair-Waterdine (Salop), Knighton, Shropshire, England

    1891 - RG12, Piece 4582, Folio 111, Page 3
    Redgate, Llanvair-Waterdine, Knighton, Shropshire, England
     
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    William Jones and Anne Botwood married Knighton Spet 1840 26 291
    The only William Jones marrying an Anne in Knighton in 1840, surprisingly
     
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    Thanks AM, now to find the children's births. Trouble is I have work.

    If anyone would like to take up the challenge feel free :D
     
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    Using the GRO the only children born Jones mmn Botwood are:-
    Mary Ann 1842
    William 1844
    William 1846
    Julia Jane 1851
    Charles 1852
    All registered in Knighton
     
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    @Chimp - you have John Jones 1841 - 1847, but he is on the 1851 census age 10, & 20 in 1861

    On the 1851 census (your ref)
    John 1841, William 1843, Anne 1845, Mary 1847, Sarah 1849 and in 1861 the addition of Emily 1852 and George 1853
     
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    On one of the censuses I'm sure it said 1847.
     
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    The marriage of William Jones and Anne Botwood took place at Llangynllo and there are baptisms for William 1846 and Charles 1852 in Llangynllo and that William is a labourer
     
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    Sorry I read it as died 1847 not the range of yob's:headbang:
     
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    William seems to have been a farmer. There doesn't seem, by the censuses, to have been a child charles. The Botwood marriage may not be theirs. They may have married in Shropshire.
     
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    Again from the GRO index I can find birth reg's for
    Mary Dec qtr 1846
    Sarah Jan qtr 1849
    Emma Dec qtr 1851
    George June qtr 1854
    All in Knighton with a mmn of Wellings

    the only marriage I can find where William Jones and Ann Wellings appear together is in Dudley (18 436) in 1845:eek:
     
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    You can forget these as there are more children registered after 1860 when your Anne dies:sceptical:
     
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    Well I have gone round and round in circles with this lot:headbang:

    I cannot find enough children with matching mmn to satisfy those on the census. No Radnorshire baps for any with William and Anne as parents and William being a farmer (did he leave a will?).
    The only William Jones - farmer, I could find on 1841 was with a Susanna and they had a child William b1839, confirming mmn as Davies (I can find that marriage), then I cannot this couple in 1851, nor a death for Susanna.
     
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    I have done the same, they really set my head to spin :eek:. I don't like being selfish so shared it with you :D
    He left a Probate which I have sent for.
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    Your generousity knows no bounds:D
    I get symied with the geography which doesn't help.
    Do you think they may have been non conformist, hence the lack of baptisms?
     
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    Could well be. Although, not very good ones, the son George had 3 children with his housekeeper. I've also sent for his Probate to see if he left her anything.
     
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    Having looked on the GRO at all the births (for the named children of William and Anne) in Knighton and Clun reg. districts, there is no common surname to link any of them other than mmn left blank!
    In desperation I even googled William Jones, Redgate Llanvair etc and got 2 hits, he is listed as a farmer in the Shropshire Directory 1871 and in the 1865 Poll Book for the same place.
    I am running out of ideas......
     
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    Have been looking, but can't find a marriage, but I have found (am sure) baptisms for William, Anne, Mary and Sarah in Bettwys y Crwyn (sometimes Bettus) on FMP.

    Parents William and Anne. William is a Farmer and their abode on each one is given as Tynevron.

    The only baptism I can find for a John JONES in Bettus is in 1836 to a William and Mary (transcription only) - off to look for an original and baptisms of Emma/Emily and George.

    Found George - abode is Horty / Harty / Hordy ?
     
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    Abode of William and Anne at George's baptism
     
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    I am too.
    1851 census has them living at Tynyvron, Cefnkalonogg, Knighton, Radnorshire, Wales, close enough spelling for me and the transcriber of the census.
    In 1861 they were living at Red Gate, Clewilsey, Knighton, Radnorshire.

    Clewilsey is a township of Llanfair (Llanvair) Waterdine, which is in Shropshire but for the sake of the census at that time it was lumped in with Knighton.

    TNA have a "Copy draft conveyance in fee of Pentre Cwm Hordy Farm, Clewilsey, Llanvair waterdine" So Hordy is very likely.
     
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    I’m stumped. So many William Jones marrying Anne’s. I did find the TNA copy draft. It mentions the name Richards the year 1829 who I assume is the owner then a will turns up for the same address, Hordys, for Richards in 1930’s on Toms Wills so my guess is William Jones was a tenant farmer.
     
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