Who were their children?

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  1. The Artful Dodger

    The Artful Dodger Dodging, ducking and diving

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    Owen Hopkins is my wife's 1st cousin and she has set me to labour on Labour Day on a task that may be a labour in vain:eek:.

    Owen and his wife - Catherine -nee Bevan - had [according to the 1911 census] - been married since 1887 and had produced 10 live births. Sadly 8 of these 10 had died by 1911.

    I have the 2 surviving children of 1911 - Edwin Peter who died 20 November 1951 in Swansea and Owen who died 2nd q. 1942 in Swansea.

    2 other children made it from birth to the appropriate census:
    1891 - we have Maud age 1 month - RG12/4481/111/48. Maud died 1st q. 1892

    Maud, along with her brother Edwin Peter and parents are now accounted for.

    1901 - we now have 3 children of Owen and Catherine - Edwin Peter, Owen [4th q. 1892] and Winifred Rose [2nd q. 1898] - RG13/ 5079/9/10. Winifred Rose died 3rd q. 1905.

    So 2 children's births and deaths are accounted for - no certificates - and 6 others are unknown.

    This is my 'mission' - if I choose to accept [and will need help on] is to:
    1] Find the birth names of the other 6 and and their deaths
    2] Obtain death cert.'s for all 8 children to see if there is a similarity between any of them

    Of all my researching so far this is the worst case of infant or youthful mortality - excluding my Mormon links with more than 1 spouse - that I have encountered.
     
  2. LianeH

    LianeH Well-Known Member

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    Colin, it may well be that they were stillbirths and unfortunately the stillbirth register didn't start until around 1927. I have the same in my family in that there were apparently 22 children and I have 7 unaccounted for unless of course my great grandfather was including his illegitimate children (by 3 other women - what a lad hey!!!).:D
     
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    The Artful Dodger Dodging, ducking and diving

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    But the census of 1911 says 10 Live births and 8 died [presumably after being born alive].

    So Liane, I have a surname - Hopkins [not a bad as Jones - but difficult]

    Surely whoever compiled the census [and Owen did sign it] would know the difference between live and still-born, don't you think?
     
  4. Findem

    Findem The Fearless One

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    From what I've experienced in my tree, babes who were stillborn weren't given name, or at least had no name recorded in the burial entry.

    I have one babe for which the burial entry stated it was born and buried the same day which might signify it was stillborn or perhaps lived for a brief period. The babe was given a name but there didn't appear to be a baptism, that is the only one in my tree to be named and I suspect showing a name on the burial entry was perhaps an act of kindness and sympathy on the part of the Rector.
     

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