Who were these women?

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    Away back in "ancient history" I have found 2 women convicted of something [what I don't know] on 14 January 1795 and sentenced to 7 years transportation. I believe the conviction was in Nottingham but can find nothing on Ancestry.
    They arrived in 1796 on board "Indispensable" and according to New South Wales, Australia Convict Ship Muster Rolls and Related Records, 1790-1849 their names were Maria and Elizabeth Hainsley.

    I have pretty much resolved Elizabeth's life in Oz. She didn't waste much time after her arrival in 1796. In that same year she got pregnant [Isabella Horton] and married another convict [David Horton] and then it would appear that she and David 'split up'.
    Did she obtain a "Divorce" or some such piece of paper? At this time she was living in New South Wales. I presume that after her 7 years was up she somehow wound up in Tasmania.
    An Elizabeth Annesley married James Brumby in Launceston, Tasmania on 18 March 1811. She died 12 March 1846 in Longford, Northern Midlands, Tasmania.

    What I am looking to do is:
    1] Confirm the surname of the 2 women who were convicted in January 1795 and what if any was their relationship
    2] What was their crime
    3] Find out what happened to Elizabeth between her marriage to David Horton in 1796 and to James Brumby in 1811.

    Any help appreciated
     
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    an Elizabeth Horton died 1831 in New South Wales registered in Pitt Town
    Vol V18311687 15

    however see next mail which says 1846!!!
     
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    James Brumby through his own efforts progressed from a private soldier to a well-to-do landowner. He was always ready to help others. In 1813 he successfully prosecuted a man for cruelty to cattle, and there are instances of his kindness to the Aboriginals. A fine judge of cattle and horses, he bred and raced horses and was interested in the importation of blood-stock from England. He died on 14 September 1838, leaving a widow, formerly Elizabeth Annesley (Hainsley, Ainsley, Ainslie), (b.1770 in Lincolnshire, d. 12 March 1846), whom he had married on 18 March 1811. One son, John, had died but two others survived him to become prosperous landowners in the Longford district.

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    Historical Records of Australia, series 3, vols 1-3; Macarthur papers, 102A (State Library of New South Wales); Bonwick transcripts, box 88 (State Library of New South Wales); CSO 1/44/831 (Archives Office of Tasmania). More on the resources

    Author: A. W. Campbell

    Print Publication Details: A. W. Campbell, 'Brumby, James (1771 - 1838)', Australian Dictionary of Biography, Volume 1, Melbourne University Press, 1966, p. 171.
     
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    By 1801 Elizabeth was residing in Sydney with Corporal James BRUMBY and soon after David Horton was cohabiting with Elizabeth SMITH who had arrived on the Speedy. In the early 1800’s, Sergeant James Brumby, having arrived in Australia with the Third Fleet as a Red Coat, was granted some land in New South Wales on which he grazed cattle and horses. On being posted to Tasmania a few years later, he left his horses to run wild and they became known as “Brumby horses” and the legend of the Brumby was born.

    Elizabeth completed her sentence during 1802 and in 1805 she travelled to Van Diemen's Land to join James Brumby who had been one of the detachment of soldiers that had sailed with Colonel Paterson to form a new settlement at Port Dalrymple. As there is no more evidence of her children from her marriage to David HORTON in NSW, one can only presume she took the children with her.

    Elizabeth died at M'Crae's Hill on the 12 March 1846 aged 80, having survived her husband and two of her three sons. She had most probably been living with her youngest son James and his family, as he owned a farm there at that time.

    She was buried in the cemetery at Christ Church Longford, alongside her husband. The original headstones are no longer completely visible, having been used as the base of the vault which now marks their grave and which was erected in the 1970s.

    Elizabeth had arrived at Port Dalrymple when conditions would have been primitive and very few buildings had been erected. She survived the hardships of those very early days, gained some respectability through her marriage and founded a pioneering family which later spread to all states of Australia.
     
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    sorry this should be first part


    At the Nottingham Quarter Sessions on the 14 January 1795 Elizabeth and Maria HAINSLEY were charged with having stolen One brass pot and One Brass pan, of the Value of Ten pence, the property of William Hodgson. Both women were found guilty and sentenced to transportation for seven years.

    Twenty six year old Elizabeth and Maria, aged 21, were sisters-in-law. They were both widows from the village of Cauton, near Newark, Nottinghamshire; Elizabeth, however, was originally from New Castle. They were amongst the 133 female convicts transported on the board the "Indispensable" which left England in November 1795 and arrived at Sydney the following April. The only port of call during the long sea voyage had been Rio de Janeiro.

    this was from a Linda Ashton back in 2009

    Very little is known of Elizabeths life in Sydney. She married David Horton however, the union appears to have been short lived.
     
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    James Brumby:
    Perported to be how our wild horses got the name ‘Brumby’.
     
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    If one of these two girls was found in Tasmania after being sent to NSW then chances are she was convicted again whilst here and again transported. This time to Tasmania.
    Sorry Sandie, just read you post right through...:oops:
     
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    The Hortons are pretty much sorted.
     
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    Did you check out the age on that convict record :rolleyes:
     
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    Maria married a John Arnel in 1796 registered at Parramatta
     
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    sorry no haven't found a birth yet:oops:
     
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    there is a find my grave with Elizabeth Brumby down as b 16 Sept 1777
    died 12 March 1846 says maiden name Ainsley
    Longford Christ Church Pioneer cemetery
     
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    not sure why name Elizabeth when James married Maria he is on same grave
    off to soak my brain now back sometimeo_O
     
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    I meant the age noted on the record on post #3. Says she’s 76 :D
     
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    Elizabeth Brumby died of natural debility on 12/3/1846 age 80 farmers widow. Informant was George Best of Launceston.
    James Brumby died age 67 at Lake River, a farmer 13/5/1838. Lake River is near Longford.
     
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    A lot to digest. Thanks be to all!!{-(^^)-}
     
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    Have found this baptism - Elisabeth Annasley 16 Sep. 1770, Christ Church Tynemouth, Northumberland, father John Annasley mother Mary.

    Possible?
     
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    that's her age at death b 1770 d 1846
     
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    Tut tut :rolleyes: Silly me :D
     
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