William and Thirza Colwill

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    1911 at Battens Cottages North Hill Launceston, North Hill, Cornwall with husband
    and children. Had 8 children and 2 died.William,Ida and Dorothy living with them.
    I have found 7 children at the moment.
    1901 they have a child called Polly born 1894 at Bradstone. The family are living at Liskeard. I cannot find the birth of Polly. need help with that.
    Albert Colwill born 1889 died 16 July 1918. he was on HMS Anchusa.It was sunk by a u boat. His name is on the Plymouth naval memorial. Albert's parents are mentioned.
    Ida born 1903 is in the 1911 census but dies 1912 age 8.
    No luck with the others yet.
    There is Dorothy 1907,Charles 1897,Polly 1894?Emily A 1882 and William 1886.
     
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    I think that I have muddled 2 families:headbang::headbang::headbang:
    Familysearch has 2 William and Thursa Cowills.
    Will have to untangle them:rolleyes:
    Wish I didn't start this.
     
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    Once you know what's what, let us know and we'll do our best to help. ():-)
     
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    I shall look for Albert's birth on the gov bmd as that should have the mother's maiden name.
    Now found him.1889 born Tavistock district .Volume 05B.Page 365. Mother Venner.
    Now to look for Ida.
    Ida GRO Reference: 1902 D Quarter in LISKEARD Volume 05C Page 47 mother VennAr.
    Dorothy May 1906 S Quarter in LISKEARD Volume 05C Page 51 mother VennARD.
     
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    Charles 1898 M Quarter in ST GERMANS Volume 05C Page 34 mother Venner.
    So far that is Albert born 1889.
    Ida born 1902,
    Dorothy May born 1906 and Charles 1898.
    No Emily A 1882 with a mother.
    No William Colwill 1886 and no Polly.
     
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    Polly can be another name for Mary. (I know... weird...:confused:)

    There is a birth registration for a Mary COLWILL in the June quarter of 1894 in Tavistock district, which covers Bradstone, volume 5b, page 335 with the mother's maiden name of VENMER. :)
     
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    MollyMay Knows where to find the answers!

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    The best I can come up with is
    Mary Colwill June qtr 1894 Tavistock 5b 335 mmn Venmer
    Thomas William Colwill June qtr 1887 Holsworthy 5b 525 mmn Venner

    Snap Jan:)
     
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    May be Polly/mary is one of the 2 children that died before 1911.
    So it is Thomas William and not William T as in the census?
    No Emily A yet and I still can't find the other missing child.
     
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    There is an Emma Colwill Sept qtr 1884 Holsworthy 5b 537 mmn Vennor
     
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    She may be one that died.
    There is an Emily A Colwill with no mother on bmd gov.
     
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    There is a marriage in 1851 of William Colwill and Thirza Jones. Perhaps the other family causing confusion but I’m sure their children would be a few years older.
    William and Thirza’s first child, William, was born in 1883, dying nine days later.
     
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    Baby William is the only Colwill that I have found in the Cornwallopc and freereg, baptisms and marriages of this family.
     
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    Still not found the 2nd child that according to 1991 census died.
     
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    I am due for new specs later this year but I think that I need them now:rolleyes:
    This afternoon I have collected names of the above family and I have 9 at this point when the number of children should be 10.
    1911 has had the family with 10 children and 2 dying (I had put 8 in post 1.)
    I thought that the 2 that died are William born 1883 -1883. 9 days old and Ida 1902-1912 and Albert 1889-1918.
    Since then I found Charley died 1904 age 6/7. They call the child Charley in 1901 although he is born Charles Henry Colwill born 1897.
    Looking at freereg there are a number of Colwill's born to a woman who is in the Union House and one child was Elizabeth Ann born around the same time as Emily A 1882 a daughter of William and Thirza.
    I still can't find a birth of Thirza's Elizabeth nor the 10th child.
    Just to recap.
    Emily Ann-1882.
    William 1883 died 1883,9 days old.
    Thomas William-1886
    Albert-1889-1918
    Bessie-1891.
    Polly/Mary -1894
    Charles Henry 1897-1904
    Ida-1902-1912 age 9
    Dorothy May-1906
    Discount Albert in the 1911 census. He died in 1918.
    See what this family is doing to me?:headbang::headbang::headbang:
     
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    I think that I have found Bessie in 1911.
    She is a visitor and unmarried at the home of Ernest A and Emily A Blake.Victoria Road, Dartmouth.
    It has Emily born 1880 (2 years out)and Bessie born 1892.
    There is a marriage between Emily and Ernest in 1902.
     
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    Need help to find Emily A Floyd (1880/1882) in 1901. I can't find her in Tavistock where she was in 1891 with William and Thirza nor in Kent where she married.
    In 1911 Polly/Mary (1894) is at Lynher North Hill Launceston, North Hill, Cornwall. A domestic servant.
    Although I can't find the 10th child of William and Thirza I have sorted out the 2 deaths mentioned in the 1911 census.
    They are William 1883-1883 and Charles Henry (known as Charlie) 1897-1904.
    Slowly getting there.:)
     
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    For what it is worth, and that may not be much (lol)......Thirza is a name that is relatively common in my Prince Edward Island Tuplin family and they are all from areas of Devon. such as Chittlehampton, Tavistock, etc. Circa early 1800's. It is not a name you run across often and is sometimes spelled Thursa by census takers......but I haven't filled out this line properly yet. Just wondered if it was more common to that area than others.
     
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    In one census Thirza was spelt Thursa.
    Lezant which is about 5 miles from Launceston which is where a lot of Venner's were born.
    Launceston is on the Cornwall/Devon border.
     

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