William Dabinett Elliott, b 1876 Kingsbury Episcopi

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    Can anyone find a baptism record for the above, illegitimate son of Rosina Elliott. I'm trying to work out if he is William Dade as some people seem to think ... is there any mention of a father? Rosina seems to have several illegitimate children and then married a James Priddle in 1876, which doesn't help

    William Dade I have in 1881-1901 saying he was born in Barrington, Somerset (same reg district as Kingsbury E). I cannot find a birth registration or marriage under that name. though I have worked out that he married Mary Anna MALE some time before the 1881 census, their firstborn was registered as Joseph William Male in Mar 1880.

    I can find a marriage in Langport RD Mar 1880 for a Mary Anna Male to either William Eliot or James Male
     
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    Mary Anna Male (aged 21, father Ebenezer, labourer) married William Elliot (aged 20, father Thomas, labourer) 25th March 1880 in Barrington.
     
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    You may already have this - but the only baptism I can find that comes remotely close, is this one in in Kingsbury Episcopi. The year is 1860

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    In 1871, mother and son (and she is down as Rosina) are living with her father, George (surname given as Ellot) in Kingsbury Episcopi, along with William, Elizabeth Jane, Eliza and Mary, all grandchildren of George, so, presumably Rosina's offspring (RG10/2397/55/6) Sorry if you already have all that :)
     
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    1861 census HO107/1630/77/11
    Harris Corner, Kingsbury Episcopi,
    Rosina Elliott, lodger b1837 Kingsbury glove leather (sic)
    William D Elliott b 1860 Kingsbury
    Lodging with George Elliott and wife Mary plus children (let me know if you want the names etc.) So with her family;)
     
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    Thanks Ann and MollyMay, I hadn't seen the baptism. I don't think this is the right William Elliott. Why would the birth be registered as William Dabinett and not William Dade Elliott? Some people on Ancestry have gone with this one because this birth registration sort of fits. It's just a red herring ...

    But I can't find a birth registration under Elliott or Dade for the guy I'm looking for, though I keep trying o_O

    If we believe the marriage and search for William Elliott (etc) as son of Thomas, I think he is the 2 year old Wm Elliotts son of Thomas and Louisa in Puckington in 1861 [RG09/1632/70/11]. I can't find the family in 1871, I have them in 1881 without William (of course if William Elliott and William Dade are the same then he is with Mary Anna)

    Can't find a marriage for Thomas and Louisa in Somerset. Though I found a possible birth registration for one of the daughters from the 1881 census, gives a mmn of Slade (though the other daughter's registration has no mmn)
     
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    In 1871 they are called Dade! RG10/2400/51/10 in Puckington
    Thomas Dade b1821
    Louisa b b1823
    William b1859
    Sam b1861
    Emily 1865
    Eliza 1866
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    Wow! Thank you :D
     
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    Eliza marries as Elliot Dade in 1886, father Thomas Elliot Dade and witness Emily Elliot Dade

    Emily Dade Elliott marries in 1889 ( to George Woodland), father Thomas Dade
    and one of the witnesses is Wm Dade
     
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    oh Hooray! I'm not cracking up after all

    so Emily's birth registration was perhaps mmn Dade?
     
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    1891 census Thomas (b1820 Barrington) and Louisa Dade (b1823 Shepton Beauchamp), still living in Barrington
    RG12/1890/122/19
     
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    So if I am theorizing that William's parents were Thomas Elliott and Louisa Dade, who didn't marry

    Is the Louisa Dade baptised in Somerset to Hugh and Ann on 3 Jun 1821, by any chance the one, was this in Shepton Beauchamp?
     
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    This gets more bizarre.
    Louisa Slade married Thomas Nett in Barrington in 1858, Thomas Nett's father is given as William Dade!
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    Thomas Elliot Dade died March qtr 1899 age 78 (b1821)
    Langport 5c 273
     
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    Does your head hurt:D
     
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    Is that Hugh Dade as a witness??
     
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    it was already hurting :eek:

    no wonder those Ancestry people went down the wrong path, the real scenario is so much more complicated :D
     
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    For William Eliot father is Thomas Eliot and Sam Dade father is Thomas Dade
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    Not entirely sure if it is Hugh Dade - it could be
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    thank you so much I really couldn't have done it without you :)
     

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