William Henry Powell b. 1909

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    William Henry Powell was born at 11, Pontycapel Road ,Cefn-Coed-y-Cymmer, Breconshire on 17th March 1909.

    His parents were George John Powell and Mary Magdalene (nee Thomas)

    George and Mary were married in Dowlais, Glamorganshire on 5th January 1908. (Image on FMP)

    George was a Bachelor, Platelayer, age 21
    His father was William James Powell, Labourer
    Mary was aged 20, her father was Evan Thomas, Roadman.

    I can't find either of William's parents prior to their marriage, and neither can I find any of them in the 1911 census.

    On the 1939 census George & Mary are living at Marllwyd Cottage, Abergavenny R.D., Monmouthshire, Wales with 2 of their later children, Albert J b. 1926 and Glenville R born 1929.

    The latter 2 children have their births registered in the Weobley, Herefordshire district.

    There are several Powell children with the MMN Thomas born in Weobley but how many belong to this family I have no idea.

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    Have a look at RG14 PN 15688 SN137
    Sugwas Pool, Sugwas, Herefordshire

    Head is William H Powell b1852 Cowarne Herefordshire
    wife M A Powell b1854 Abocor Wood Worcestershire
    son G J Powell b1889
    wife M M Powell B1889
    boarder E M Thomas b1907
    boarder W H Powell b1901
    boarder L M Powell b1900 (age 11 on transcription but 11 month on original)

    not convinced but the best I can come up with
     
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    Yes, I see that one, I'm afraid I'm not convinced either.

    Thank you for looking MM ;)
     
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    Edith Mary Thomas was bap 5/5/1907 d/o Mary single woman - servant, address Victoria House - parish of Llanfair in Builth (on FMP)

    1901 census Mary Thomas d/o Evan (Highway labourer) living Irfon Terrace, Penbuallt, Builth RG13/5161/31/2

    Although FMP has pob for WH and LM as Upn Coed I am sure the original says Cefn Coed.

    I wish I could find the birth reg/ baptism for L M

    (not giving up on this one yet;))
     
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    Who is LM ?

    Forget that, I wasn't reading it right :(
     
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    @MollyMay having slept on this I'm inclined to agree that posts #2 and #4 are them.

    George J can be traced back to 1891 with his family.
     
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    There is a tree on Anc* for George, and ascribes the parents on the 1911 census as his - it also gives Albert, Grenville, Thomas and Arthur to the him and Mary M nee Thomas, but they have a gap from 1901 to 1915 and no marriage either. There is no mention of William Henry, but also a daughter Ada b1916 in Hereford (but I cannot find a birth reg for her).
    *Evans family tree
     
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    L M Powell . 1900. Cefn Coed

    Possible?
    Louisa May Powell. June Q Merthyr Tydfil 1900. MMN Hartley-Naylor
     
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    Sadly not - the yob is given as 1900 on the transcription, but the age on the original is 11 months, not 11 years, so yob should be 1910+/- 1 year
     
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    How about this?
    Lily May Powell. Dec Q 1909. Merthyr Tydfil. Mmn Harmon.

    Unfortunately unable to match E M or W H with mmn Harmon.
     
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    Maybe LM was a child of one of William he's other children.
     
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    Now looking for an earlier census of Evan and his family.
     
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    George had an older brother William John.
    There is a marriage of William J Powell to Gwen Jones
    June qtr 1909 Brecknock 11b 153
    There is a birth reg of Lilian Maud Powell June qtr 1910* mmn Jones
    Crickhowell 11b 94
    *11 months in 1911 - census date 2/4/1911, so born March 1910

    Any credence in this?
     
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    If you haven't found them
    Evan
    1891 RG12/4565/34/8
    1881 RG11/5453/41/12
    1871 RG10/5572/43/12
    1861 RG09/4205/40/20
     
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    Thank you MM, I'm at work at the moment, will take a look this evening ;)
     
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    Evan married Jane Jones in Llangamarch, Brecknockshire
    in 1877, Evan was a widower. He had previously married Margaret K/C/endrick in the same place in 1873, Margaret died there in 1874.

    Marriage date: 14th November 1873, Llangamarch, Breconshire
    Evan Thomas, Age Full, Bachelor, Labourer
    Father: David Thomas, Labourer
    Margaret Cendrick, Age Full, Spinster
    Father: Robert Kendrick, Shepherd

    Marriage date: 6th April 1877, Llangamarch, Breconshire
    Evan Thomas, Age 26, Widower, Labourer
    Father: David Thomas, Labourer
    Jane Jones, Age 26, Spinster
    Father: Edward Jones, Sadler
     
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