William John Percival Ashcroft. b 1834, no death record

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    In my partner's Tree I have
    William John Percival Ashcroft
    BIRTH 9 FEB 1834,Tower Hamlets, Stepney, London, England
    DEATH 18 MAY 1882, Leyton, Greater London/Essex, England from burial record in FamilySearch - no death in BMD or GRO that I can find.

    He was married to Sarah Frances Jarrett (FANNY) 6 Oct 1857 at St Dunstan and All Saints Church, Stepney, London, England. Four children resulted, two boys who died young and 2 girls who survived, Catherine Alice/KATE and Florence. He seemed to disappear before the 1881 Census as Fanny is claiming to be Mrs Harry Sloane at that time. She went ahead and married Harry on 26 Aug 1883 at Church of St James the Great, Bethnal Green, London, England; BMD V1c p402.

    What happened to WJP Ashcroft? I was alerted to the fact that several Ashcrofts were executed for murder in Lancaster around this time and wondered if he was part of that family. However I can't find a link- maybe it's in a newspaper? I am assuming the FamilySeaarch burial record is correct (familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:QL25-MLGN) as it has his full name but how did that come about without an official Death record?

    Puzzled in Adelaide.
     
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    The only death or burial on FS is a Henry Ashcroft 22/5/1882 Leyton, Essex and on Freebmd he was 84 dying West Hamo_O
     
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    A Frances Sarah Ashcroft married a Harry Sloane.
    Marriages Sep 1883
    ASHCROFT Frances Sarah Bethnal Green 1c 402
     
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    I found a family of Ashcrofts, James Snr, James Jnr, David and William Holden executed in Lancaster for 'The Pendleton Murders' but that was in 1817. Then in 1827 Samuel Ashcroft.
     
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    Oops, you got that one!:oops::rolleyes:
     
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    He seems not to be around on the 1871 as well.
    Fanny Ashcroft is living with her parents William Jarrett 63, wife Sarah, Henry 24. Fanny is 32 and also Kate Ashcroft, Grandaughter born 1865
    5 GBC/1871/0586/0059
    As for Florence, there is a 3 three year old Florence Ashcroft living with Frederick Mouteney and family in High Street Harrow and is noted as his granddaughter.
     
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    Fanny is good at telling porkies. She is on the 1881 census as age 33 (1848) with 14 year old Catherine and 7 year old Florence. She was married to William in 1857 so she married him when she was 9!!!!
     
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    For some reason I can't bring this family up AM. Was Fanny down as married?
     
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    She is on as Frances Sloane, born Bow Middlesex
    39 RG11 1818/111 with Harry Sloane, Catherine and Florence
     
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    Note to self, yet again, to read initial post properly!:rolleyes:
     
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    In June qtr 1863 there is a birth registration of a Frances Sarah Ashcroft at Stepney.
    William John Percival Ashcroft was born to Henry and Mary Ann Ashcroft.
    1871 census we find Fanny with her parents and daughter Kate in post #6.
    1871 census also has Henry Ashcroft 73, cooper, wife Mary Ann 66, son George 32 and a granddaughter, Frances aged 8 years. Is this another child of Fanny and William's or the daughter of George? With the same name of Frances Sarah I believe her be Fanny's. 5 GBC/1871/1634/0076
     
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    ASHCROFT, FRANCES SARAH MMN JARRETT
    GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in STEPNEY Volume 01C Page 503

    She died 22 May 1872 and is buried with her Ashcroft grandparents.
     
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    ASHCROFT, FLORENCE HARRIETT LOUISA MMN MOUNTENEY
    GRO Reference: 1867 S Quarter in HENDON Volume 03A Page 106
     
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    In the 1861 census he was transcribed as William H Ashcroft, but it definitely says William J P Ashcroft, he is a Clerk at London Docks.
    RG09, Piece number 289, Folio 49, Page number 41
     
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    Excellent Sis. So we have another daughter and I can rule out Frances Mounteney.
    So who is Florence's father. William or Harry?
     
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    Who knows. I can't even find her on FreeBMD or the GRO!
     
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    I've even tried a search on FMP of all census using the address from the 1861 census, but the name Ashcroft only comes up there in the 1861 census. The address doesn't come up at all for the 1871 census.
     
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    There is a Florence E J Ashcroft, St Olave March 1873 but she is the only one I’ve found and fits the age of 7 on the 1881
     
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    ASHCROFT, FLORENCE ANN EMMA JANE MMN POPE
    GRO Reference: 1873 M Quarter in SAINT OLAVE SOUTHWARK Volume 01D Page 236
     
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