William Mollard bapt. 23 March 1806.

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    William was the 1st born child of William and Mary nee Piper and was baptised in Germoe. I have accounted for all of his siblings but William has eluded me.

    I have managed to eliminate a couple of candidates:
    William Mollard married Ann Williams 16 Jul. 1837 in St. Ives. He can be found in St. Ives in 1851 where his place of birth was St. Ives.

    There was a marriage in St. Hilary on 28 Mr. 1835 to Martha James. This I found on Cornwall OPC. Both were of the Parish and from the transcript both were widowed. One of the witness was William Mollard. This couple I found in 1841. William according to the 1841 census was born c. 1796. All children were from his 1st marriages as the youngest was born c. 1834. Baptisms were in St.Hilary.

    There are probably more but I'm not able to find them. Can I ask for help?
     
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    Have you ruled out the marriage of William Mollard, engineer and Mary Symons 27 May 1846 St Hilary. His father is listed as William a miner.
     
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    There is a William Mollard, age 35. No county of birth, in Maidstone Prison in 1841.
    A William Mollard died Dec Q 1845, age 39, Portsea Island Union.

    Just a couple of random coincidences.
     
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    Just found that too......but is he incarcerated or staff?
     
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    There is more information on "A" pay site.
    Criminal Register.
    Date of trial 1 Jul 1841. Sentence- imprisonment.
     
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    Thanks....;)
    Oh no! Maybe another crim for 'The Dodger' :D
     
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    If I have the right couple, in 1881 William Mollard, mining engineer, was born in Marizion in 1823. His wife Mary, mmn Symons, born St Hilary 1827.
    From Cornwall OPC.
    William Mollard, baptised 14 Nov 1822. Marizion, St Hilary. Parents William and Mary.
     
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    Perhaps another possibility? Ancestry have a Gloucestershire Prison record for a William MOLLARD, aged 34, resident of parish of Garnell?, Cornwall, admitted on 15 September 1840 for stealing various items of clothing, tried on 20 October 1840, found not guilty, discharged on 27 October 1840. Remarks stated he served eleven and a half years in the 60th Rifles 2nd Battalion, discharged with ignominy and disgrace - wonder what he did??

    Janet
     
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    Ooooo, Colin. Not looking good for your William Mollard. :nailbiting: :D
     
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    The British Newspaper Archive has this snippet from The South Eastern Gazette, dated 6 April 1841 - " William Mollard, 35, miner, John Barr,25, labourer, for stealing five sacks, value 75, the property of Joseph Solomon of Shorne, three months.. "
     
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    Archie's Mum and Brentor boy - thanks for all the useful posts - we can eliminate the chap who married Mary Symons was buried in Marazion age 81 on 23 Feb. 1905. Hi wife was buried in Marazion age 74 on 29 Jan. 1900.

    A good effort.

    Janet Booth - re post 8 - and others who've posted - looked up this record on A. and combined with other details found he looks a likely candidate.
    I cannot find his military records nor can I read the comments about his military discharge - Wonder when he was discharged - likely 1840 - which after serving 11+ years would make his entry c. 1829?
    His 1st recorded brush with the law was in Gloucestershire when he was charged on 15 Sep. 1840, tried 20 Oct. 1840 and acquitted and discharged 27 Oct. 1840.
    A chap matching his age was admitted to Westminster Workhouse as a Casual on 22 Dec. 1840 and discharged the 23 Dec. 1840 with the following comments "After staying one night and working 2 hours the next morning, received 1/2lb. of bread". A nice way to spend Christmas!
    The newspaper article 6 Apr. 1841 would indicate he was held in jail pending a trial in Kent on 1 Jul. 1841 charged with Larceny, for which he was convicted and sentence to 3 months in Maidstone Prison. This would account for him being missed in the 1841 census.

    Then he disappears after his release. My thinking is that he likely was wandering the country as a beggar and died in ditch somewhere. If so, a fitting end!!!!
     
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    You’re acquiring quite a little flock of black sheep there Colin. ;)
     
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    Not missing.
     
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    [QUOTE="Brentor boy, post: 174273, member: 2409"
    A William Mollard died Dec Q 1845, age 39, Portsea Island [/QUOTE]
    Is this the ditch?
     
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    Well he wasn’t sent over here. I went on a search.
     
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    Brentnor Boy could be right. Burial at Portsea on 17 November 1845, William MOLLARD, Poor House, aged 39. His Gloucestershire Gaol record shows him as a Miner & Traveller. I, too, cannot find his Service record, Colin.

    Janet
     
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    Looks like the end of William. Thanks for everybody's help.
     

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