William Verrall

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Elma

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I am really trying to identify my Verrall family. I have a William Wicken Verral born 27th Jan 1834 whose parents are William and Alicia according to his baptism in St Pancras on 16th Feb that year.
Can anyone help read what the names are here, the one who is under William and the other possibly William's sister with the same name.

With thanks Elizabeth
 

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Ooh, I hate to disagree with my esteemed colleagues, especially on my first day back, but . . .

Given that the mother's name is recorded as Alicia in William's baptism, I wonder if it might say Elicia on the census, for mother and child? (Ancestry does have a baptism for an Alicia Verral in 1842, but with d.o.b. of January 1839).
 
Thank you so much and I'm glad you're back Huncamunca:). What would we do without you.
That sounds credible, now I just have to find what happened to them. I feel William Wicken Verral is probably this family, unfortunately by the 1851 census he is away from home. At his two marriages William Wicken Verral gives his father as William Verrall a coal merchant in 1857 and 1885. The original census that I posted an image from is HO 107 Pice 681 Folio 36 Page 2. Any ideas?
 
I am wondering if William Wicken Verral's father could have been William Wicken Verral as well as there is a death in 1862 possibly for him but mine was still very much alive.:confused:
 
Could this be William snr in 1851? All children born St Pancras
St Pancras, HO107; Piece: 1493; Folio: 139; Page: 31

William Verrel 38, Carman and Coal ?????, Horne Surrey
Elizabeth Verrel 35, Wandsworth
Richard Verrel 13
Jesica Verrel 12
George Verrel 3
John Verrel 1
 
There's this marriage at St Pancras Church Feb 13th 1860.
Alicia Verrell father William a Coal Merchant
William Dunn Pianoforte Maker, bride and groom of full age.
 
My first thought was the word was Rusper, but that did not fit with the assumption of a signature. But it could make sense if he was born Rusper and now marrying as Verrall - and no I have never seen anything like it before either.
 
I see that William's abode at the time of that Surrey marriage was Rusper in Sussex, so would guess that the comment must relate to that somehow. Perhaps it means that William had produced a certificate to show that banns had been called in Rusper?
 
Amle said:
I am wondering if William Wicken Verral's father could have been William Wicken Verral as well . . .
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It looks as if William Wicken/Wicking Verrall's middle name was his mother's maiden name. William Verral, bachelor, and Alicia Wicking, spinster (both of Trinity district, St Marylebone) were married by banns on 10 November 1833 at Trinity Church, St Marylebone. He marked and she signed. Witnessed by Hannah Baugham (or Bangham?) and Henry Charles Bell.

Alicia must have died not long after the 1841 census: she is recorded as dead when her daughter Alicia was baptised in 1842.

Mealymoo said:
Could this be William snr in 1851? All children born St Pancras
St Pancras, HO107; Piece: 1493; Folio: 139; Page: 31

William Verrel 38, Carman and Coal ?????, Horne Surrey
Elizabeth Verrel 35, Wandsworth
Richard Verrel 13
Jesica Verrel 12
George Verrel 3
John Verrel 1
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That looks good, Mealymoo. :) There was a Richard in 1841 if I remember correctly, and maybe Jesica is Alicia junior in disguise [the enumerator put her name down as Louisa at first, but then crossed it out]. The big gap between those two children and little George (3) and John (1) might indicate that William had remarried fairly recently.

This might fit with a marriage on 23 May 1847 at St Pancras: William Verrall junior, full age, widower, a porter of Miller Street, son of William Verrall, labourer, married Elizabeth Ann Stiles, full age, spinster, of Caroline Street, dau. of Henry Stiles (dead). Both made their marks. Witnesses J(?) Dutton(?) and S(?) Verrell.

Edited to add: ah, yes: just noticed that they were in Miller Street in 1851 so that all seems to fit.

So to confuse things the one we were calling William senior (who married Alicia) was calling himself William junior at the time of his 2nd marriage in 1847, suggesting that his father William was also around at this time.
 
Huncamunca
That gives me an awful lot to think about and work out. Thank you. I will work through it slowly as I want to get the most appropriate and useful certificates.
I can't wait to sort them out. :D
 
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