Winch of Harefield

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  1. Adam McGregor

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    Hello,

    I'm trying to find details of James Winch. She was christened in Harefield in 1800. I don't know when it was or who his parents were. Any details on James or his family would be great. James killed himself in 1840 - it was featured in newspapers - but I don't know the exact date. It was in the Uxbridge district.

    I'd appreciate any help!

    Adam
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    The closest I can find is a James Winch baptised 9 Mar. Pts James & Margaret at
    St Mary the Virgin, Harefield, Hillingdon, Middlesex, England.
    If he took his own life I doubt he'll get a mention in burials. Not that I saw & newspapers nil, but FMP is better for that.

    Family Search has several marriages for a man of that name but anyone's guess if one of them is your man.
     
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    That's terrific! Thanks. James killed himself on the 17th of July 1840 - this can be deduced from the newspapers referring to the incident in relation to publication. His wife Sarah died there in 1886. Can you find a burial for her, or anything else on James' parents?
     
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    I am not a member on FMP, but had a look in their newspapers anyway. Two suicides are mentioned the first is /was a stud groom to his brother in law. He also is noted as the son in law of a foreman of the Jury.

    The 2nd seems to be at 'wickenbam'. perhaps in Ireland?

    It would be worth buying a months sub. to sort these out perhaps. edit: okay you came online while I was typing. I'll have a looksee.
     
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    I've read the article. He died at Ickenham, just like the man who was related to his boss. It doesn't make for very pleasant reading.
     
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    So I guess he married Sarah Clark? Oops, wrong widow, sorry.
     
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    James was married to a Sarah, born in Hayes in 1796. I don't know when or where they married but Sarah lived in Ickenham up to the 1881 Census, and then died in 1886 in the same district.
     
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    There's a burial of a James Winch in Ickenham on 21 July 1840, age 40.
     
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    Thank you!
     
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    This line frustratingly died with James, although the name of his parents (James and Margaret) were established, and I found their burials too. There was no marriage for them, but it would’ve been pre-1800 (and apparently not in Harefield). Nor were any christenings found :(
     
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    Have you tried a email to Uxbridge Library (local heritage dept).
    They are very helpful and I think they have the St Mary Hayes PR's
    I have tried to look at them on Ancestry but the actual registers are chaotic and I think the library will have the transcriptions - if Sarah was from Hayes, St Marys would be her parish church and likely where she married.

    With James Winch's parents marriage - have you looked in Hertfordshire or Buckinghamshire? Harefield is near to the boundary of both.
     
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    The James baptised at Harefield in 1800 found by Wendy might be the James Winch on the 1851, born Harefield, living in Abbots Langley, a Blacksmith with wife Ann.
     
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    Not sure where Elmstone Kent is in relation to where you are looking but a James Winch married Sarah Ann Squire there in March 1831.
     
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    This could be James Winch snr's burial in 1834 St Mary the Virgin Harefield
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    so a birth around 1771
     
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    Sarah claims to be of Hayes Middlesex, so unlikey AM
     
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    So born around 1771.......we have a selection. But in Sittingbourne there are two. Brothers. The first in 1771 and then another in 1775. Father John mother Sarah......so far...still trying to find another fit.
    Oops think I read that wrong Mollymay. You must be referring g to James father. But the James baptised in 1800is till alive in 1851.
     
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    On the 1851 census HO0107/1697/396/18
    Sarah b1796, Henry b1829, George 1832
    plus a married niece Harriott Norman b1831 Denham Buckinhamshire

    March qtr 1850 Harriet Winch married William Norman (Uxbridge 3-355)
    The marriage happened at Ickenham and the image is on Anc.
    Harriet's father is John Winch - so this could be a brother to James
     
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    It says here though that the line died with James.....so no offspring?
     
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    I have a transcription of the PR's for Denham marriages 1569-1812).

    I cannot see any Winch ones in the late 1790's - 1812 but there is one earlier which might just be worth noting
    Jas Winch (bricklayer) Edy Dodd 18th November 1773 - so allowing for some discrepancies with the age at death for James (who married Margaret) this could be his parents
     
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    I think Adam means he cannot find anything further back, James and Sarah had 2 sons Henry and George
     
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