Would he be Naval Personnel?

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  1. Andromeda

    Andromeda Tenacity is her middle name

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    There's no such job as a 'painter's corp' that I've ever heard of.

    I guess the only way to find out for sure what his job was is to order the death certificate.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    There was also An 'A. Ernest Welch who I kept bumping into, his name appeared I think his no. was 306124 Star, Victory Medal, British War Medal -Europe.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    Being facetious was I, o_O I can't find the other docco you mentioned above -untranscribed. Was it under the same heading as the first?

    P.S. 1920
    2nd page lower half has 'police constable' written in full-twice also P.O Pense another at top-of lower half page P.O. 'Imp'.
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    As he was a house painter in a previous life my guess he still was a painter when he died. P=painter. C=no idea.
     
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    I wish I knew where this 'Dockyard' was. Only ones mentions are :-
    • Chatham (1567-1983) possible
    • Deptford (1513-1869) not
    • Plymouth – from 1824 known as Devonport Dockyard (1690-present) Possible
    • Portsmouth (1495-present) just across the 'channel' 'water'
    • Sheerness (1665-1957)
    • Woolwich (1512-1869) not
    Albert died in Gosport, Hampshire, so I guess sent there from the ? Dockyard & Victualling yard. Where they docked their ships -for repairs & updates etc. & restocked their victualls.
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    Royal Clarence Waterside and Marina, Weevil Lane opposite Burrow Island. Previously the The Royal Clarence Dockyard. I think. Just a guess so please don’t quote me.
     
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    Oh well done- jolly good guess, I like it. Have been in Nat'. Maritime Museum, learned little now heading to TNA. then lunch if I still remember.
    Thank you Sue.{-(^^)-}
     
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    Archie's Mum Always digging up clues

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    One must keep up one's strength in times of stress.:)
     
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    Got it now to read it-
    Medal card of Welch, Albert Edward Corps: Royal Engineers Inland Waterways and...
     
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    Found on Lives of the First World War. Sapper WR331799. Is it him though?
    Sappers are the tradespersons of the Army.
     
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    The Royal Clarence Yard was in Gosport. "One of the Royal Navy's two principle, purpose-built, provincial victualling establishments" (Wikipedia)
    en. wikipedia. org/wiki/Royal_Clarence_Yard

    Jane
     
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    The Inland Waterways Transport RE was part of the "Army's Navy", so Albert would have been a Sapper. Two good reference books are "The Army's Navy" by David Habesch and "The Unknown Fleet" by Reg Cooley
     
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    Medal card of Welch, Albert Edward Corps: Royal Engineers Inland Waterways and...
    Reference: WO 372/21/72199
    Description:
    Medal card of Welch, Albert Edward
    Corps Regiment No Rank
    Royal Engineers Inland Waterways and Docks WR 331799 Sapper
    Date: 1914-1920
    Held by: The National Archives, Kew
    Legal status: Public Record(s)
    Closure status: Open Document, Open Description
    .................
    What a Bonza lot you all are here-in. Thanks so much for the help & the prods to search. {-(^^)-}
     
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    So many books come up with both titles, I guess I'll be checking out for a time.
     
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    The untranscribed doc is here, left hand column just above half-way down
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    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/310044:60931?_phsrc=qzz47796&_phstart=successSource&gsln=welch&ml_rpos=2&queryId=ec661452faacd74c053d19891f0fdc08
    Looking at those 1920 entries there seems to be three:
    J? Weeks - PC MP (probably either Military Police or Metropolitan Police)
    Gaugher Dern - Indian Police Constable
    C Lonsdale - Met Police Cons

    There are also several on the following pages. There are also some listed simply as Painter, eg AJ Hamnett, 1923.

    There are pension records on Fold3 for Sapper Albert Edward Welch of the Royal Engineers, No WR 331799, and these give his address as Chertsey, Surrrey. There is a man by that name living in Chertsey in 1921, born 1886, Chertsey, Surrey. Based on that, he doesnt seem to be 'your' Albert Edward.

    Just as an aside, I'm still far from certain that the man who died in 1919 was a Police Constable - docks or otherwise (I seem to remember that Dock Police were part of British Transport Police) - but my Great Grandfather switched from being a farmer to working as a policeman at Hull Docks, so people did change occupations perhaps more than we think.
     
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    Playing around with the free index reveals that the three people with Margaret all had the surname Boniface. The male had the forenames Thomas James.
    BONIFACE, JOAN MARGARET mmn WELCH
    GRO Reference: 1913 M Quarter in KINGSTON Volume 02A Page 844
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    That link just keeps taking me back to original page I saw- o_O

    Thank you for the Fold3 info. It does certainly cut out the record I found on TNA site being alive in 1921 & with diffeent birth date.
    Okay excitement bubble has burst, but boy it was a fun ride for a while. Glad I didn't stop to buy the service record.

    start again time, when the morning duty time is over ;)
     
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    Sorry, I had too many pages open. Try this one - just above half way down on left column:

    Code:
    https://www.ancestry.co.uk/discoveryui-content/view/310044:60931?_phsrc=qzz47796&_phstart=successSource&gsln=welch&ml_rpos=2&queryId=ec661452faacd74c053d19891f0fdc08
    And just in case it doesn't work, its UK, British Army and Navy Birth, Marriage and Death Records, 1730-1960 > ADM 104: Service Registers & Registers of Deaths and Injuries . Piece 104: index to Registers of Reports of Deaths: Ships (1919-1930). Image 60 of 66.
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    #37 Did at least confirm I had the correct marriage forhis Sister Caroline. :)
     

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