WW2 Deaths

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  1. Anne Phillips

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    I'm looking for information regarding Nancy Barham who may have died during ww2 bombings in or around Hastings.
     
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    Welcome, Anne!

    You may or may not already have this, but there's a death registration for Annie L Barham aged 57 in the Hastings district in June qtr 1942, GRO ref 2b 7. Nancy is often a variant form of Ann, Annie etc.

    This one isn't in the official list of civilian casualties maintained by the Commonwealth War Graves Commission, unless I missed her due to a misspelling or something, but her death certificate should give a definitive cause of death.

    The only civilian Barham casualty that I could see in that area was 80 year old Matilda Jane (a widow) in Rye, who died in 1943.
     
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    Just going to type my reply and saw you had beaten me to it Arthur :)

    I could only found Matilda Jane Barham in Rye on the CWG database.

    Welcome to Top Dog Anne.
     
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    The Annie Barham who died in 1942 is probably the one who appears in the memorial notices in the Hastings and St Leonard's Observer of the 10th April 1943
    In loving memory of my beloved wife, Annie Barham, who died April 6th 1942 - from her loving husband.
    There is a similar notice from her children, Doug, Les, Alf and family, Eddy and family.

    I can't find any notice of her death in a paper when it happened in 1942.
     
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    1939 register has the family in Pelham Street, Hastings
    Annie L born 19/7/1884
    Arthur born 2/5/1882 - hairdresser and confectioner
    Douglas N born 7/6/1917 - hotel chef
    Leslie R born 3/5/1919 - cafe proprietor

    Welcome Anne C|:-)
     
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    Some information on air raids on Hastings here, though I haven't spotted any dates in 1942:
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    https://www.1066online.co.uk/hastings-history/ww2/
    You can click on the bomb damage map top right for a larger version.
     
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    Hi Arthur,
    Thanks for the info. I don't think Annie is the one I'm looking for as my Nancy would have been 80 in 1942. Also she was not married. However, I'm grateful to you and to the others who have responded. I definitely have some leads to follow now.
     
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    If it helps - in the 1939 reg.

    Nancy Barham born 10/2/1862 and Elsie M Barham born 16/11/1871 occ domestic, both single living at 11 Old Church Road, Hastings
     
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    Thanks MollyMay. I already have the 39reg info and its definitely the right Nancy and her sister Elsie. I just cant find her whereabouts after that. Elsie died in hospital a few years later, she too was single. Nancy was my great grandmother and she is the only one in her family that I cant account for yet, but I'll keep on looking.
     
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    Just loosening the criteria a bit, is it possible that Nancy was officially Naomi? A Naomi Barham died in Crowborough on 3 Apr 1948: the GRO index gives her age as 84, and the probate calendar says she was a spinster. Her executors were Annie Barham and Edith Barham, spinsters, and Agnes Weston, widow.

    One reason I've looked a bit more widely is that I found an account of a doodlebug raid in or near Old Church Road on 16 July 1944 - see
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    https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/ww2peopleswar/stories/84/a4396584.shtml
    There doesn't seem to be a Barham death connected with this, so is it possible that she actually lived through it, though perhaps with physical or mental scars, then moved out of Hastings and died after the war?
     
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    Nancy was definitely not Naomi. Nancy was my great grandmother and I have all records for her until 1939. Ive tried passenger lists in case she went abroad but cant find her. I considered civilian deaths during ww2 In case she was killed and remained unidentified. I guess I will have to wait for the 1921 census to find out what happened to her next. Thank you so much for trying to help me.
     
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    I've played around a bit with wildcards, and found this in the death indexes:

    March qtr 1945: Bacham, Nancy, age 82, Hastings, 2b 7

    The same spelling is found at the GRO's own site, FreeBMD, and in the image of the typewritten index, so if it is a mistake, it presumably happened at an early stage in the reporting process, and any certificate (or £6 pdf) issued by the GRO is likely to have that spelling.

    For something produced from documents as close as possible to the original registration you'd need to order a paper certificate from the register office:
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    https://www.eastsussex.gov.uk/community/registration/copies/order-death-certificates/
     
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    That look promising Arthur :)
     
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    Thanks Arthur , that looks very promising. I'll follow it up and let you know how I get on.
     
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