Yet another missing MASCALL...

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  1. MollyMay

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    Eva and Augustus in 1921 are in West Ham - parish of Cann Hall

    Eliza Ann Leonard b1887 India (Henry's wife*)
    Ethel May Leonard b1919 India
    George Henry Leonard b1917 India
    Eva Mariam Leonard b1914 India
    John Henry Leonard b1913 India
    Henry Leonard b1921 Leyton

    Eva Miriam Williams b1889 West Ham
    Augustus Williams b1887 Bethnal Green
    Audrey Elsie Williams b1914 Rotherhithe
    Augustus Arthur Williams b1919 Leyton
    Leonard Henry Williams b1919 Leyton

    *Henry Leonard bachelor, sergeant RA, Rangoon, married Aliza Ann Bell (she signs Eliza) 20/9/1911 Christ Church Bengal
    He names his father as William Leonard deceased

    No sign of Henry Leonard, who died a few weeks after the census was taken

    The 1939 register shows Eva (b 8/8/1889) and Augustus (b 4/10/1887) in Leyton.
    Augustus is a retired police officer
    Audrey and Augustus are with them, and so is Leonard Henry who is a professional footballer;)
     
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    Great sleuthing MM - I had to abandon the quest as other mundane things needed to be dealt with :sceptical::D
     
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    I thought the professional footballer might appeal to you;):)
     
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    Guess what I’m doing now…….;):D
     
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    Cooking dinner? Watering the garden? Got it - reading the papers 8(:-)
     
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    I’m so predictable….:rolleyes:and I’ve already watered the garden :D
     
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    The birth of Henry Webb mmn Brooks has been bothering me.

    Could this be the right birth reg for Henry, although it does make the age of 4 in 1891 census, way out. Just checked the original, and it looks more like age 6 not 4.

    Henry Leonard mmn Barrett Dec qtr 1884 Linton 3b 519.

    So it looks like Henry was the son of Sarah and her husband William Leonard
    (married 1882), as for Eva ??
     
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    I think that this might all be coincidence as there is also a birth registration for Henry LEONARD in Linton with the MMN of BARRETT:
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    This is a different branch (yes, they are also in my tree... :headbang:) and William and Sarah had married on 28th October 1882 in Castle Camps.

    The Castle Camps mob were famous for using the same names as those for the offspring of their siblings/cousins/family down the road. For instance, in CC alone, I have 5 chaps by the name of William LEONARD born in CC in the 3 years from 1862-1865.

    Back to the drawing board for the WEBB family, I am afraid, but a HUGE thank you for the information about the LEONARDs - you have solved another mystery before I could voice it! :D
     
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    Yes, that is Phoebe. Thank you for the burial :)
     
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    I can't find any professional footballer by the name of Leonard Henry Williams, either in the papers or on-line. I thought I'd found him, a Len Williams who played for several clubs, including Charlton, which would have given him a London connection - but I've managed to track down this chaps origins and he was Welsh.......:sceptical:
     
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    Pheobe in 1891 is living with her daughter Emma Frames and her husband Frederick
    Pheobe is down as Mescall on Ancestry Pheobe is a widow her son John and Bennett are with herin Mile End old town
    Piece 306 folio 7
     
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    1901 she is a servant housekeeper in Woodford West Ham(Moscall this time)
    Piece 1636
    Folio 104
    Page number 13
    Household schedule number 50
     
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    !911 living with son John

    Street Address 95 Devonshire St, Mile End, London E
    Marital Status Widowed
    Registration District Number 21
    Sub-registration district Mile End Old Town North Eastern
    ED, institution, or vessel 11
    Piece 1627
     
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    Thank you so much @Sandiep :)

    Now need to find the elusive William, Sarah, Henry and Eva - who could be anywhere! :sceptical:
     
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    :headbang::headbang:

    I have searched and searched but william webb there are so many:( I have a couple of my own they are difficult hopefully others will do better than me
    will try again tomorrow when my brain has been rested lol
     
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    I think that William, Sarah, Henry and Eva are the LEONARD's that @MollyMay found. This William's father was Henry LEONARD (bap 1826 to William and Charlotte at Castle Camps). Henry married Elizabeth WEBB (bap 1830 to Thomas and Marianne at Little Thurlow, Suffolk) on 23 June 1850, Castle Camps.

    William's birth was registered as William Willie LEONARD mmn WEBB in the June quarter of 1861, Linton Reg. District. Willie Leonard was baptised on 14 July 1861, Castle Camps to Henry and Elizabeth.

    Elizabeth died and was buried on 16 Jan 1862 at All Saints, Castle Camps.

    Henry then married Priscilla BELSHAM on 2 Jan 1863, Castle Camps.

    William (b. 1861) is not with Henry and Priscilla in 1871, but I think he is the William LEONARD, aged 9, born Castle Camps and listed as a son to William and Charlotte LEONARD at RG10/1592/133/10

    There is a William LEONARD b. 1862, Castle Camps, an Ostler (Inn Serv.) at the Three Hills Public House, Great Barlow, Linton on the 1881 census - RG11/1672/100/5, which I think is him.

    William LEONARD married Sarah BARRETT on 28 Oct 1882 at Castle Camps. William's father is listed as Henry, a shoemaker (Henry is a shoemaker on the various census, as was his father).

    Why this William is listed as WEBB on the 1891 census, I don't know - the only connection I can find to the surname Webb, is that it was his grandmother's maiden name - but his death was registered as both William WEBB (as per the death registration @MollyMay found in post #16) and William LEONARD with the same age (29), Vol. Page and Reg District.

    One last thing is that Eva Miriam LEONARD's baptism (from FMP transcriptons - my sub to SEAX has expired) to parents William, an Ostler and Sarah on 25 Sep 1889, Essex gives their abode as 46 Station Street, the same as on the 1891 census.

    None of the above helps with finding your William Mascall/Webb but I think it confirms he is not the one in 1891 married to Sarah and with children Henry and Eva M - though they could well be part of your tree :rolleyes: :)

    Do I need to run and hide as your William appears to be doing?
     
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    @Jellylegs do you never sleep? :D

    Thank you. I shall read this again later this morning when the brain is working and see how it compares to the records that I hold. :)
     
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    I have bitten the bullet and ordered both death certificates. Hopefully, they should solve the mystery... :nailbiting:
     
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    I do have a sub and the only other piece of information on the baptism is the DOB, given as 8th August 1889. I'll e-mail you Jan ;)
     
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    Thank you. :)
     
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