John Simpson Excise Man 1820-1850

Thank you Lizzy, I think you have a valid point there, Mary died from lack of nourishment so that made me think she must have fallen on very hard times and like you say an Excise Officer's wife would not necc need to work. There are quite a lot of death entries on Ancestry for John Simpson in Liverpool around 1837-1841 so could cost a bit getting all of them. His daughter Emily was born around 1837 so would have to be after that but before 1841 census. I am also looking at Familysearch.org as well.
 
Hello - I found a death entry for a John Simpson in Liverpool 1838 aged 42 -certificate arrived but don't think it is my John, it says his job was a Labourer, but in other documents relating to him he is always an Excise Officer (i.e. his sons marriage cert and his wife's death cert) I am beginning to think he was living somewhere other than Liverpool when he died and it might be linked to his daughter Emily, born about 1837 but not in Liverpool, so I am now searching for her birth details.
 
Could he have given up excise work due to poor health? or a home remove, being a labourer can cover so many things job wise- not necessarily heavy work. May explain Lizzie's comments in #20.
If his last child/dtr was born 1837 I'd be looking for 1836 -1841as a cut off .

p.s. did you-will you ask for "excise man" as his occupation on any death cert?.
 
Sandiep said:
Reference: CUST 116/32/5
Description:
John Simpson. Entry papers for service as an Excise man.

Date: 1820
Held by: The National Archives, Kew
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There are other records for excise officers at the National Archives, including minute books. ref CUST 47. Unfortunately these are not online but the index to names mentioned in them, is. Looking at these there are a few references to a John Simpson, although not necessarily your John.
CUST47/616/1 p27 of the index mentions a John Simpson on p138 of minute book (1836)
CUST47/626/1 p24 of index mentions Jno Simpson on p95 of minute book (1837)
CUST47/631/1 p23 of index mentions a John Simpson on p103 of minute book (1838)
These are the only ones I have noted but there may be others.
 
Ma-dotcom said:
Could he have given up excise work due to poor health? or a home remove, being a labourer can cover so many things job wise- not necessarily heavy work. May explain Lizzie's comments in #20.
If his last child/dtr was born 1837 I'd be looking for 1836 -1841as a cut off .

p.s. did you-will you ask for "excise man" as his occupation on any death cert?.
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Thanks for the info. I will keep looking. I didn't realise you can as for occupations on death certificates. I could only see a request for the mother's maiden name. Perhaps I missed something there.
 
Grizel said:
There are other records for excise officers at the National Archives, including minute books. ref CUST 47. Unfortunately these are not online but the index to names mentioned in them, is. Looking at these there are a few references to a John Simpson, although not necessarily your John.
CUST47/616/1 p27 of the index mentions a John Simpson on p138 of minute book (1836)
CUST47/626/1 p24 of index mentions Jno Simpson on p95 of minute book (1837)
CUST47/631/1 p23 of index mentions a John Simpson on p103 of minute book (1838)
These are the only ones I have noted but there may be others.
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Wow you have been busy on my behalf! Thank you.
Where did you find all that?
I have copies of entry papers for John Simpson, but cant confirm yet that it is my John. Do you think a visit to the Nat Archive would be an idea? I had thought about it but trawling through the files was not something I was looking forward to, but you may have already done that for me with the info above. At least it is somewhere to start.
 
Mrs Simpsontobe said:
Wow you have been busy on my behalf! Thank you.
Where did you find all that?
I have copies of entry papers for John Simpson, but cant confirm yet that it is my John. Do you think a visit to the Nat Archive would be an idea? I had thought about it but trawling through the files was not something I was looking forward to, but you may have already done that for me with the info above. At least it is somewhere to start.
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If you google' National Archives Excise and Inland Revenue officers' it should take you to a research guide with lots of information.
There do seem to be entry papers for a John Simpson in 1836, so it is possible that he is the one mentioned in the minute books rather than your John.
If you wish to see the minute books or any of the records which are not online, then you would need to visit the Archives or else pay to have a particular record copied. They have a page on the web site about record copying and prices.
 
Just had another thought. The Maritime Museum in Liverpool may have some useful info. I've had a very quick look and they seem to have an information sheet ' tracing your ancestors who worked in H M customs and excise' - so that could be worth a read.
 
Mrs Simpsontobe said:
Thanks for the info. I will keep looking. I didn't realise you can as for occupations on death certificates. I could only see a request for the mother's maiden name. Perhaps I missed something there.
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I cannot now remember if I asked specifically for occupation, but clung to any word of 'mariner' or similar. When it arrived, 'rigger' seemed enough to convince me the man was my G'Dad.
Yep there were probably other men with same name working the waters there then but my needs were met close enough.
 
Ma-dotcom said:
Could he have given up excise work due to poor health? or a home remove, being a labourer can cover so many things job wise- not necessarily heavy work. May explain Lizzie's comments in #20.
If his last child/dtr was born 1837 I'd be looking for 1836 -1841as a cut off .

p.s. did you-will you ask for "excise man" as his occupation on any death cert?.
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This chap is definitely about the right age. Can you give us the details from the death cert? Address? Informant? Was he married?
 
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