What Does this Say?

[MollyMay]

This is written in the margin of the baptism of Harry West (s/o John & Louisa) at
St Mary Magdelene, Bermondsey 10/8/1883.
Any ideas - I will not post what I think, I would prefer to see what others make of it.
Thanks.

 

[Last Resort]

"At St Andrews Mission OL" Could OL be the initials of the vicar?

 

[Daft Bat]

To me it looks like...

At St Andrews Mission Ch (urch)

 

[Last Resort]

Quite likely. Suggest that MollyMay looks down the page for letter shapes in other entries.

 

[Bay Horse]

I think Jan has it.

St. Andrews Mission Ch.

 

[MollyMay]

Thank you -I had the St Andrews and probably Ch = Church but it was the mission bit that I could not fathom.
Thank you

 

[Archie's Mum]

Is Bermondsey anywhere near Gravesend?
St Andrews mission church was built mid 19th century

 

[MollyMay]

This is the Ch of Charles (on the same page), I think they are the same

 

[MollyMay]

Is Bermondsey anywhere near Gravesend?

Nowhere near - but thanks for the thought

 

[Daft Bat]

Is Bermondsey anywhere near Gravesend?

Not really. Bermondsey is in London whereas Gravesend is on the Kent coast, a good 25 miles away.

 

[MollyMay]

25 miles away.

Which is a long way (over here)

 

[Figgs]

Looking at the date I am wondering why the double ess is not written the usual way (one long wavy stroke and a regular S).......I really need to draw it. As my maiden name is Bowness, I am very used to that. Is it because it is in the middle?

I see "St. Andrews, with a word I am not familiar with, then O.L." Do they use Mission instead of Church in the UK?? Not common over here.

 

[MollyMay]

I have just found this on the lost churches website
Built 1883 -

 

[Half Hour]

Which is a long way (over here)

Goodness.. I travel that one way to the office every day!

 

[MollyMay]

Goodness.. I travel that one way to the office every day

My mum was over 50 before she traveled more than 25 miles from where she was born

 

[Archie's Mum]

From The Illustrated London News No. 2257 Vol LXXXI Saturday August 5 1882 page 147.
'The Bishop of Rochester on Thursday week laid the foundation-stone of the St Andrews Mission Church, Abbey Street, Bermondsey in the presence of a large assemblage, including the clergy of the district.'
londonancestor.com

 

[Ma-dotcom]

Definition of MISSION CHURCH. : a church that is not locally self-supporting but that depends at least partially upon the support of mission funds from the larger religious organization that established it.
Mission church - Merriam-Webster.com

Another handle on 'Mission'.

http://www.outbackpatrol.com.au/mission_church.php

 

[Philippa]

Ho hum, late to the party again!! BUT:

It most definitely says "At St Andrews Mission Church" (and no sign of swine in this one at all, thank goodness!!)

 

[MollyMay]

I am wondering why the double ess is not written the usual way (one long wavy stroke and a regular S)

I think by the 1880's it had become less used, although some still did. I had a quick look through the preceding and following pages and 'ss' is used. consistently.

 

[Flook]

I have just found this on the lost churches website
Built 1883 -
View attachment 5475

Yes I think the "Grid Reference" on the web page must have it about right** (even though they won't quite commit themselves!) although St Andrew's Parish is clearly shown next to St Mary Magdalene parish on Stanford's 1877 parish map.

I can't see a temporary church or chapel on the 1877 map but I've just been having the same trouble with temporary church in Camberwell; I expect the clergy were attached to St Mary's before St Andrew's was built.
See: http://mapco.
net/parish/parish10b.htm

** http://southwark.anglican.
org/downloads/lostchurches/BER04.pdf