William Soper Hayward

Rosemary Tully

Rosemary Tully

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Hi Would anyone know where this gentleman was born? In 1841 he has "no" down as born in Kent.
He was living at Deal and died June 1850. His death cert had aged 51. He was married in Deal, Kent to Louisa Stokes on the 21st of July 1821. At that time he was "of this parish". Looking forward to replies. cheers and thanks Rosemary
 
Don't know if this may be of some help -

1861 census RG9/552 folio 19 page 33 (copyright The National Archives)
Cheriton, Kent
7, Wellington Terrace
household of John Fraser, a doctor from Scotland
Mary Soper Hayward - servant - un - 23 - Nursery Maid - Dorsetshire Spottisbury

Later than William, but maybe a relative? It could be that William was also from Dorset?

Ann
 
There are 4 birth registrations on FreeBMD for Haywards with Soper as part of the Christian name
Mary Soper Hayward Mar 1838 - Blandford
James Soper Hayward Sept 1842 - Blandford
Harriot Soper Hayward Dec 1843 - Blandford
Clara Soper Hayward Sept 1844 - Eastry

On Ancestry Dorset baptisms, there is also a John Soper Hayward baptised in Blandford Forum in 1832, with the above Mary and Harriet being baptised in Spetisbury

Ann
 
HAYWARDs baptised in Spetisbury (opcdorset site)
1. 29 Oct 1835 - William Francis, s.o. John & Harriet, schoolmaster
2. 2 Oct 1836 - George Roll, as above

double checked for HEYW- also. That doesn't seem to help does it? But baptisms only transcribed from 1813 to 1836, which is not your time period. So tried Ancestry, still no luck in Dorset baptisms [for William Soper].

Can only find burial on FamilySearch:(
 
Hello Rosemary and a belated welcome to Top Dog

I see that William was buried at Deal St Leonard on 5 July 1850 as William Soper Hayward (abode, Water Street; age, 51). That dies in with the death certificate. But so far I haven't found earlier references to him having a middle name. Have you found him using the name William Soper Hayward while he was alive? I ask this because he just seems to be plain William Hayward when he marries Louisa and on the children's baptisms (at least the ones that I've spotted on FamilySearch).

If you haven't already done so I would look at the scanned images of Deal parish registers on Findmypast, not just for William and Louisa's children but for other Haywards in case any connections appear.

Other sources you might try include apprenticeship records, deeds, wills, monumental inscriptions etc.
 
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AnnB said:
Don't know if this may be of some help -

1861 census RG9/552 folio 19 page 33 (copyright The National Archives)
Cheriton, Kent
7, Wellington Terrace
household of John Fraser, a doctor from Scotland
Mary Soper Hayward - servant - un - 23 - Nursery Maid - Dorsetshire Spottisbury

Later than William, but maybe a relative? It could be that William was also from Dorset?

Ann
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1821 we did have a Mary Hayward witness the wedding of William Hayward ane Louisa Stokes but would be too old to be the one you have found. Maybe her daughter. I think Dorset is a good place to look. Thanks Ann
 
Huncamunca said:
Hello Rosemary and a belated welcome to Top Dog

I see that William was buried at Deal St Leonard on 5 July 1850 as William Soper Hayward (abode, Water Street; age, 51). That dies in with the death certificate. But so far I haven't found earlier references to him having a middle name. Have you found him using the name William Soper Hayward while he was alive? I ask this because he just seems to be plain William Hayward when he marries Louisa and on the children's baptisms (at least the ones that I've spotted on FamilySearch).

If you haven't already done so I would look at the scanned images of Deal parish registers on Findmypast, not just for William and Louisa's children but for other Haywards in case any connections appear.

Other sources you might try include apprenticeship records, deeds, wills, monumental inscriptions etc.
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Thank you yes in his will it says "Resiting that William Soper Hayward known as William Hayward" so he is a "soper" I think Dorest is a strong contender.
 
Huncamunca said:
Hello Rosemary and a belated welcome to Top Dog

I see that William was buried at Deal St Leonard on 5 July 1850 as William Soper Hayward (abode, Water Street; age, 51). That dies in with the death certificate. But so far I haven't found earlier references to him having a middle name. Have you found him using the name William Soper Hayward while he was alive? I ask this because he just seems to be plain William Hayward when he marries Louisa and on the children's baptisms (at least the ones that I've spotted on FamilySearch).

If you haven't already done so I would look at the scanned images of Deal parish registers on Findmypast, not just for William and Louisa's children but for other Haywards in case any connections appear.

Other sources you might try include apprenticeship records, deeds, wills, monumental inscriptions etc.
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Hi, Thanks for the help,I have been looking on Findmypast but nothing yet. I have his will but have not found an apprenticeship record on findmypast. He was a craftsman and made coffins as well. Better go and do some work. catch you all later. R
 
Mary Soper HAYWARD is in the 1851 census of Spottisbury (HO107/1853, folio 186, page 29) with her parents John & Harriet HAYWARD and siblings. John HAYWARD married Harriet SOPER at Blandford on 30 September 1830 by licence so am unsure whether this family is connected to yours.

According to Family Search, John HAYWARD was baptised on 17 April 1800 at St Thomas Salisbury, parents Philip & Mary. This couple did have a son named William, but he was born on 19 December 1802 and baptised 9 February 1803.

Janet
 
janetbooth said:
Mary Soper HAYWARD is in the 1851 census of Spottisbury (HO107/1853, folio 186, page 29) with her parents John & Harriet HAYWARD and siblings. John HAYWARD married Harriet SOPER at Blandford on 30 September 1830 by licence so am unsure whether this family is connected to yours.
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I agree, Janet :)

Unless there is an earlier Soper/Hayward marriage in Dorset then there may be no connection with Rosemary's William Soper Hayward.

Rosemary Tully said:
. . . in his will it says "Resiting that William Soper Hayward known as William Hayward".
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Have you considered the possibility that he started out life as William Soper, and then took the surname Hayward from a stepfather? It might be worth hunting for female Soper/male Hayward marriages after his birth and then looking back to see if the woman had had an illegimate son William around 1799. There is one on FamilySearch, which might be worth following up: Elizabeth Soper marrying Charles Hayward on 11 February 1801 at St George, East Stonehouse, Devon (film no. 6036805).

Otherwise all I can suggest is doing as much research as you can on other Haywards in the Deal area to see if any connections emerge. For example you could
  • check the scans of the original Deal marriage registers on FMP and see if you can find William appearing as a witness at any other Hayward marriages.
  • check any other Hayward wills to see if anyone mentions William
  • look for other Haywards in Deal who were also in the building trade and for others who were born outside of Kent
 
Huncamunca said:
I agree, Janet :)

Unless there is an earlier Soper/Hayward marriage in Dorset then there may be no connection with Rosemary's William Soper Hayward.



Have you considered the possibility that he started out life as William Soper, and then took the surname Hayward from a stepfather? It might be worth hunting for female Soper/male Hayward marriages after his birth and then looking back to see if the woman had had an illegimate son William around 1799. There is one on FamilySearch, which might be worth following up: Elizabeth Soper marrying Charles Hayward on 11 February 1801 at St George, East Stonehouse, Devon (film no. 6036805).

Otherwise all I can suggest is doing as much research as you can on other Haywards in the Deal area to see if any connections emerge. For example you could
  • check the scans of the original Deal marriage registers on FMP and see if you can find William appearing as a witness at any other Hayward marriages.
  • check any other Hayward wills to see if anyone mentions William
  • look for other Haywards in Deal who were also in the building trade and for others who were born outside of Kent
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Thank you I will check to see if I can find others in the carpentry trade. etc. Have a nice day. Rosemary
 
Huncamunca said:
check the scans of the original Deal marriage registers on FMP and see if you can find William appearing as a witness at any other Hayward marriages.
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Just to give one example, the signature of William Hayward on his marriage in 1821 does look similar to that of the William Hayward who witnessed the marriage of Mary Ann Hayward and Philip Matson at Deal on 12 November 1828. And the signature of Mary Ann Hayward on her marriage in 1828 does look very like that of the Mary Hayward who witnessed William's wedding in 1821, except that she's just plain Mary and not Mary Ann.

The next step might be to see if there are any clues about Mary's age and origins: did she survive long enough to appear on census returns?
 
Huncamunca said:
Just to give one example, the signature of William Hayward on his marriage in 1821 does look similar to that of the William Hayward who witnessed the marriage of Mary Ann Hayward and Philip Matson at Deal on 12 November 1828. And the signature of Mary Ann Hayward on her marriage in 1828 does look very like that of the Mary Hayward who witnessed William's wedding in 1821, except that she's just plain Mary and not Mary Ann.

The next step might be to see if there are any clues about Mary's age and origins: did she survive long enough to appear on census returns?
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Hi Huncamunca, I agree those two signitures look the same. Also on the next page we have a Henry Walker Hayward getting married.17th Dec 1828. In 1841 both Philip and Mary have born in Kent ticked. Philip is a baker. 1851 Philip is a widower living in Dover, still a baker. And seems to have died in 1843. On the 13th March 1805 we have a Mary Ann Hayward ch. to John and Mary Hayward at Dover. That might not even be her.
I had a good look yesterday following different Haywards, then I found one who was born in Redcar Yorkshire, but that was no good as she was married in 1806 to a John Hayward widower. (he was married before in 1801). Thanks for your help too, any ideas are welcome. cheers Rosemary
 
Hello Rosemary

What a shame that Mary Matson didn't make it onto the 1851 census. :( At least you have a rough age and likely Kent birthplace for her. No guarantee that she is William's sister, but I think it's worth pursuing that possibility.

I would continue going through the Deal parish registers trying to work out how the numerous other Haywards there are related. There are some with quite unusual names (Lancelot, Jemima, etc.) but it's not so easy when yours are Williams and Marys.

Did you notice that there are some baptisms in Deal for children of Charles and Elizabeth Hayward? The earliest I can see, on a rather cursory search of FamilySearch, is Elizabeth (1804). Could this be the Charles Hayward and Elizabeth Soper who married in Devon in 1801? It is a long way from East Stonehouse (now part of Plymouth) to Deal, but I wonder if there could be a work connection there, which might take Charles from one place to the other . . . perhaps something to do with the Royal Navy and the Napoleonic Wars? This is highly speculative of course, but there might be records that could prove it (e.g. records of dockyard employees).

There are possible non-conformist burials for Charles and Elizabeth Hayward in Deal: see Findmypast for partial transcripts. There may be more detail in the original registers. If you don't know how to access these records online, do shout.

Right, I'd better get an early night if I'm to be fit for work tomorrow. Bye for now!
 
I have only just noticed that Ancestry has recently added scanned images of pre-1837 non-conformist registers. The register of baptisms and burials for the Deal Independent church for 1802-1837 (National Archives ref. RG 4/874) includes many Haywards. I also spotted a child of Philip and Marianne Matson and even some Sopers.

It would be well worth looking through each page, I should think, to make sure you don't miss any.
 
I think this may just help you, Rosemary. Kent Archives have an online catalogue and doing a search for William HAYWARD, I came up with this:

"EK/U137/T3
10 Nelson Street, Deal
1 Charles William MATSON of Deal, Coach Builder
2 Philip MATSON of Deal, Baker
3 William Swift GIBBONS of Deal, Carpenter; John ELQAR of Deal, Ropemaker and Louisa HAYWARD, widow [executors of the will of William HAYWARD, son of George]
Conveyance of a moiety of premises at 10 Nelson St, further to the last will and testament of Elizabeth HAYWARD and her heirs [Charles W MATSON being EH's grandson]
Consideration £12
Date 19 October 1853"

From this information, I infer that George HAYWARD was married to an Elizabeth and they had at least 2 children, William who married Louisa STOKES and Mary who married Philip MATSON, Baker, of Deal. By 19 October 1853 both William HAYWARD & Mary MATSON had died and Charles W MATSON inherited a moiety of the premises at 10 Nelson Street. Could be worth looking for Elizabeth HAYWARD's will.

What do you think?

Janet
 
Brilliant find, Janet! Interestingly, 10 Nelson Street is where Charles Hayward died in 1826, if I remember correctly from the non-conformist register. So who is George, and how is he related to Charles?

It sounds as if getting Elizabeth Hayward's will could be crucial in confirming that she was William's mother and in identifying her husband.
 
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