Mary Dolman is Thomas Dolman's mother but who is she?

Murfomurf

Murfomurf

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There are many Dolmans in my family tree, my connection being a Harriett Dolman born in 1843 who married my GGF Frederick Lawrence in 1862 in Walsall, Staffordshire. My current puzzle is the parentage of Mary Dolman/Doleman/Dallman whose (illegitimate) son's Baptism details in FreeReg.org are:

1 Jan 1803 • St Peter's Church, Wolverhampton, Staffordshire, England; PR reg Transcr File line 1187; mother Mary Dolman.

She MAY have married a John Walker (not mine) in 1808 but I'm unsure as further details are elusive. She is probably from one of the Dolmans who inhabited Repton and Melbourne, Derbyshire for centuries, but her more recent ancestors may have been born in Staffordshire- it was all a bit mixed around Burton upon Trent.

Her son Thomas Dolman married Lydia Meakin and had a bunch of very findable children. Mary born around 1783 is the big question mark.
 
Are you sure that the Thomas DOLMAN baptised at Wolverhampton St Peter is the Thomas DOLMAN who married Lydia MEAKIN at Repton in 1822? All his subsequent census records state that he was born in Repton and not in Wolverhampton and there is a baptism at Repton on 27 March 1803 for a Thomas son of Joseph & Sarah DALMON (sic). Also one of the witnesses at Thomas & Lydia's marriage was a Hannah DOLMAN and a Hannah DOLMAN daughter of Joseph & Sarah DOLMAN was baptised at Repton on 12 June 1805.

Going back to Thomas baptised at Wolverhampton, unfortunately no further details on his actual baptismal record except that he was the base born child of Mary DOLMAN. There is a marriage at Sedgley on 26 May 1833 of a Thomas DOLEMAN & a Sarah PARKES and this couple are resident at Horseley Field, Wolverhampton in the 1851 census with 3 children, he being shown as a Locksmith, aged 51, born Wolverhampton. And to further muddy the waters, there is a marriage at Wolverhampton St Peter on 5 November 1805 between a John CALLEY, bachelor, of the parish & Mary DOLEMAN (she signs DOLMAN), spinster, of the parish. Sorry, have to go out now, but will look again later.

Janet
 
Looking back for baptisms for Mary DOLMAN 10 years either side of 1780 in the Wolverhampton area, there only appear to be 2 candidates. The first is baptised at Bilston St Leonard on 19 May 1782 daughter of Henry & Mary DOLMAN and the second is baptised at Bilston St Leonard on 25 December 1784 daughter of Frederick & Sarah DOLEMAN but she is buried at Bilston on 13 October 1785 as Mary daughter of Frederick & Sarah DOLEMAN.

Marriage at Wolverhampton St Peter on 6 February 1780 between Henry DOLEMAN of the parish, bachelor, & Mary BRATFORD of the same, spinster. Both made their mark but one of the witnesses was an F DOMAN who signed but not terribly legibly so probably a DOLMAN! So could Henry & Frederick perhaps have been siblings??

Frederick LAWRENCE & Harriet DOLMAN married at St Michael Lichfield on 10 August 1862 and one of the witnesses was a Henry DOLMAN. Harriet was baptised at Lichfield St Michael on 11 April 1843, parents John & Mary Anne. John DOLMAN & Mary Ann WORRALL were married at Rugeley on 23 June 1834, all of which information you probably have. Then going back gets a bit more complicated. John DOLMAN states in all the census records that he was born c1807-9 at Fradley and his burial record at Lichfield St Michael in 1882 shows him as aged 74 but I cannot find a baptismal record with any certainty. There are 4 at Alrewas between 1804 & 1809 and 1 at Bilston in 1806. Looking for any other DOLMAN names in the 1851 census who were born in Fradley brings up a William DOLMAN born c1815 and a Joseph DOLMAN born c1818. Ah, parish register of Alrewas shows William son of Joseph & Martha DOLMAN of Fradley baptised on 5 December 1815 and Joseph son of Joseph & Martha DOLMAN of Fradley baptised 6 January 1818. John was baptised 21 December 1809 son of Joseph & Martha DOLMAN of Fradley, so it would seem likely that your John DOLMAN is the son of Joseph & Martha.

Are you looking for a DNA link between your Harriet and the Mary DOLMAN who had a son Thomas? If so, there is a baptism at Alrewas on 7 May 1779 for a Mary daughter of Joseph & Jane DOLMAN, Jane being the first wife of Joseph DOLMAN who married Martha WIGGIN as a widower on 24 January 1809 at Alrewas (Lichfield Marriage Licence shows him to be a widower). Hope this hasn't confused you even more, I never realised DOLMAN was such a common name and that there are so many of them!

Janet
 
janetbooth said:
Are you sure that the Thomas DOLMAN baptised at Wolverhampton St Peter is the Thomas DOLMAN who married Lydia MEAKIN at Repton in 1822? Janet
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Nope- not at all sure it's the correct Thomas marrying Lydia Meakin! I am trying some Thomas Dolmans born around Derbyshire. Sorry I haven't been around- unexpected nose surgery on Thursday and hurting/distracted since then!
 
Oh gosh, hope you soon feel better. Not too sure researching the DOLMAN families will not make you more distracted!! There are quite a lot of them, aren't there.

Janet
 
@janetbooth That Baptism for Mary Dolman doesn't fit with the age of the Joseph Dolman who married Martha Wiggin in 1809, at least not with the Joseph I have born 1781- maybe a Joseph born a generation before? I know the Dolmans are totally crazy in their numbers around that time and place! Several times I have lined them all up and tried to allocate them to dates and families, but it seems that I've got it wrong yet again! I have DNA Matches with many descendants of the Dolmans but can't exactly say which families they came from!
 
I should have investigated further!! Looking at the parish register of Alrewas the baptism of Mary DOLMAN was on 7 May 1779 daughter of Joseph & Jane DOLMAN but Jane the wife of Joseph DOLMAN of Alrewas was buried on the same day. There is a burial at Alrewas on 9 November 1819 for a Joseph DOLMAN of Alrewas, aged 60, he likely being the son of Moses DOLMAN, who was baptised at Alrewas on 11? October 1758, the same day as his mother Elizabeth was buried. Then, as you say, there is the baptism at Alrewas on 25 March 1781 for Joseph son of Joseph & Mary DOLMAN followed by siblings Ann in 1783, John in 1786, Elizabeth in 1788 & Moses in 1792. Marriage at Alrewas on 2 April 1780 between Joseph DOLMAN & Mary MEAKS both of the parish. Both marked and one of the witnesses was a Daniel DOLMAN who signed. So is this a second marriage for the Joseph of Alrewas who was married to Jane HINCKLEY of Lichfield on 6 July 1778, this Joseph also making his mark. It would make sense as there is only the one Joseph DOLMAN baptised at Alrewas between 1740-60, he being the son of Moses in 1758 mentioned above. If the Joseph DOLMAN who married Martha WIGGIN was a widower by 1809, who was his first wife? I haven't found a marriage so far, but there is a burial at Barton under Needwood (pretty close to Alrewas) on 20 November 1807 for a Hannah wife of Joseph DOLMAN - could this be Joseph's first wife?

You may already have most of this information but, even though I managed to skip a generation and if Joseph born c1758 did marry twice, it would then provide a DNA link between Mary DOLMAN & your Harriet via the two Joseph DOLMANs.

Sorry for any confusion and hope you are now feeling better.

Janet
 
Yes, Joseph born 1758 DID marry twice, but I've currently got a bit mixed up between Joseph who later married Martha Wiggin vs Joseph his father in that both seem to have married a JANE. For Joseph born 1758 this seems to be a Jane Hinkley (alt Hindley) but I haven'y managed to hang a surname on the Jane who married Joseph born 1781.
I'm out in the Timor Sea at the moment on a small boat with rather slow internet and can't look up much without bombing the network. And yes thank you all, I am feeling better but still have one eye a little black and a bandaid down the length of my nose!
 
I cannot find a first marriage for Joseph born c1781 to a Jane on either Ancestry or FMP. However, looking at the Lichfield marriage licence on FMP for his marriage to Martha WIGGIN in 1809, he signed his name on the licence. There is a marriage at Birmingham St Martin on 6 July 1807 for a Joseph DOLMAN & a Hannah OSBORN (via Ancestry), both of the parish supposedly, and comparing the signatures on the two documents, to me they look very similar, especially the capital "D" which is quite distinctive. Can you access both these documents to see what you think? Have no idea what they would both be doing in Birmingham mind, but this could tie in with the burial record for a Hannah wife of Joseph DOLMAN on 20 November 1807 at Barton under Needwood. Of course, I could be completely wrong here!!

Janet
 
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