From Cornwall to Canada!

trlvn

trlvn

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Anyway, my surname is Treleaven and right now I'm interested in how an intermarried group emmigrated from Cornwall to Amherst Island, Ontario, Canada in 1834. And then another group formed and homesteaded in Huron County, Ontario about 14 years later.

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Walter Treleaven, my GG-grandfather. Bap. 1824-09-12, in Stoke Dameral, Cornwall. D. 1897-06-26 in Lucknow, Ontario, Canada.

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Jane S. (McQuoid) Treleaven. Born Feb. 1830, Amherst Island, Ontario. Married Walter in 1857, four years after his first wife died. She died 1898-06-01 in Lucknow, ON. I grew up in the Lucknow house they lived in.

Craig Treleaven
 
In regards to Walter Treleaven, Stoke Dameral is in Devon, but there is a baptism for Walter Treleaven on 12/9/1824 in Lanivet, Cornwall, father William mother Jennifer. Not too familiar with Cornwall geography so have no idea how far apart both these places are.
 
Archie's Mum said:
In regards to Walter Treleaven, Stoke Dameral is in Devon, but there is a baptism for Walter Treleaven on 12/9/1824 in Lanivet, Cornwall, father William mother Jennifer. Not too familiar with Cornwall geography so have no idea how far apart both these places are.
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You are right. One of the stories handed down said that Walter was baptized in Stoke Dameral just before the family left for Canada in 1834. I think that tale arose because his father was a pilot of Devonport.

OTOH, all of Walter's older siblings were, I believe, baptized in Lanlivery--not Lanlivet. (For a long time, I thought those were alternate spellings of the same place.)

I do want to firm up my understanding of that clan in Cornwall. I see that there is a specific sub-forum for the queries that I'm likely to have.

Craig
 
trlvn said:
OTOH, all of Walter's older siblings were, I believe, baptized in Lanlivery--not Lanlivet. (For a long time, I thought those were alternate spellings of the same place.)
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I think there are two William and Jenefer's. All the chldren of William who were baptised in Lanlivery, father was stone cutter, but two children, William and Walter who were baptised in Lanivet have father as a farmer. There is a Richard father William, a stonecutter, and mother Jenefer was baptised 26/6/1824, Lanlivery but Walter was baptised 12/9/1824 Lanivet father farmer. Only 3 months apart.
I have Cornish as well but they weren't quite this confusing.
Treleaven: William and Jenefer CHELEY married 1814 Lanlivery occupation stonecutter
Treleaven: William and Jenefer PHILLIPS married 1820 Lanlivery occupation yeoman.
From Cornwall OPC
 
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Please move this post over @Daft Bat
Walters baptism in 1824 has his father as William Treleaven....a FARMER So all those siblings born before 1820 belong to William Treleaven a STONECUTTER and Jenefer CHELEY
I think your Walter's mother is Jenefer PHILLIPS.
All trees have his mother as CHELEY
 
Daft Bat said:
Done. :)
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Terrific. Thank you Jan.
Now I can get my teeth into what I think has happened with these trees of Walter Treleaven and his parents William and Jenefer.
All on line trees have Walter the son of William and Jenefer Cheley. However looking at Cornwall OPC there are two couples with the same name. William Treleaven and Jenefer Cheney and William Treleaven and Jenefer Phillips
One William Trevealen is a STONECUTTER The other William is a FARMER
Children found on COPC:
William 1815 father William a STONECUTTER residence Crift
Thomas 1816 father William a STONECUTTER residence Crift
Jane 1818 ditto
John father William a FARMER residence Greedrow
Mary father William a FARMER residence Breeney
William 1822 father William ditto residence Boswarrick
Richard 1824 father STONECUTTER residence Crift
WALTER 1824, 12th Sept father William a FARMER residence Bodwarrick
Richard 1824 26th June father STONECUTTER residence Crift
 
I think you're on the right track Sue.
Son of FARMER William, LANIVET
baptised LANIVET 12 Sept 1824 (same date as given by Craig, post 1).

Mother Jennifer/Jenefer
Siblings: William, Jennifer & John

What bothers me Craig, is that you say his father was a pilot at Devonport. That's a heck of a way from Lanivet.
How sure are you of that?

I don't have access to Devon baptisms - is there definitely a Stoke Damerel baptism there? On the same date? If so ... this Walter may be born in Devon?

Jane
 
Thank you Jane. I have no idea where Lanivet is on the map but I was also wondering how someone who is a farmer could then become a pilot. Or even a stonecutter for that matter.
 
Find a grave has a copy of a newspaper obit that states he was born in Stoke on 4/7/1825 in Plymouth. Came to Canada in 1832 and when he died in 1897 he was the owner of Lucknow Grist Mills. The memorial on Find a grave has him born in Stoke on 30/6/1824. So we have three birthdates and three different places of birth.
 
Lanivet is about 2 miles south of Bodmin (on the current A389).

(Lanlivery is further south, near Lostwithiel, about 5 miles south of Bodmin - on the current A390)

BOTH couples (Jenifer PHILLIPS/CHELEY) married in Lanlivery.

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HANG ON!!

The obit says born Plymouth, July 4th 1825. Youngest son of WILLIAM & JANE.

Family Search has a baptism in Stoke Damerel, 2 January 1825 - TRELEAVEN, WALTER, parents WILLIAM (mason) & JANE, abode Devonport.

Maybe not a Cornishman, after all?
 
There has been quite a shemozzle with these trees. Find a Grave has his mother as Jane (Chayley) Treleaven born 1784 Cornwall, father William.
 
kernowmaid said:
HANG ON!!

The obit says born Plymouth, July 4th 1825. Youngest son of WILLIAM & JANE.

Family Search has a baptism in Stoke Damerel, 2 January 1825 - TRELEAVEN, WALTER, parents WILLIAM (mason) & JANE, abode Devonport.

Maybe not a Cornishman, after all?
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But even that doesn't add up. January baptism, July birth.
There are quite a few Walter Treleaven's around that time :headbang:
 
Hi, Craig. I'm a Treleaven descendant. My bunch got land grants to Canada in the 1830's as military pensions from Napoleonic era service. I won't muddy the waters beyond that.
 
Holy cow, I've set off a firestorm! A good one but I'll need a little time to digest what all of you have written.

I will say that my branch of the Treleaven's were stonecutters and farmers! Walter's oldest brother, William (bap 1815-04-16 Lanlivery) was also a stonecutter. He had a business in Goderich, ON, Canada (only a few miles from where the rest of the family farmed) carving tombstones and other stone work. He trained his stepson, Frederick A. Anning (born about 1813, likely Cornwall) in the art. Fred had a stone business for many years in Walkerton, ON, Canada.

Even my Walter had some training as a stone cutter. He operated the grist mill in Lucknow for many years and it originally was equipped with stone grinding wheels. It was said that Walter had a chip of metal embedded in his eye that flew off the end of the chisel he was using to dress the grinding stone.

Re William and Jenefer's family. I have considerable evidence that 6 children came with them to Amherst Island in 1834.

Jane bap 1818-12-29 Lanlivery is believed to have died 1829-05-08 in Stoke Dameral.
James Henry bap 1828-01-08 Stoke Dameral is believed to have died 1831-01-02 in the same place.
Celena Ann bap 1832-11-18 Plymouth, Devon is believed to have died prior to the family departing for Canada.

There is another child that is said to have come to Canada but I have found little:

Mary bap 1821-03-04 Lanlivery. She would have been 13 when she came to Canada but I haven't found any other records about her. Of course, by the first comprehensive Census of Canada West (as Ontario was then called), she would have been 30 and presumably married.

As I said, I'll digest what has been so generously provided above and come back with more.

Craig
 
GrannyBarb said:
Hi, Craig. I'm a Treleaven descendant. My bunch got land grants to Canada in the 1830's as military pensions from Napoleonic era service. I won't muddy the waters beyond that.
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It struck me the other day that your Beer family may be the reason my gang decided to come to Upper Canada! I believe Christopher Beer immigrated in 1832. He could well have influenced them to follow 2 years later. Do you know if he spent any time in the Kingston area when he arrived in Canada. The island my group came to is a rowboat ride from the town of Kingston.

Craig
 
trlvn said:
It struck me the other day that your Beer family may be the reason my gang decided to come to Upper Canada! I believe Christopher Beer immigrated in 1832. He could well have influenced them to follow 2 years later. Do you know if he spent any time in the Kingston area when he arrived in Canada. The island my group came to is a rowboat ride from the town of Kingston.
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Hi, Craig. Given that the Treleavens, Beers, and Moyles seem to intermarry, I would say it's a good bet they influenced each other, but I don't have the particulars to back that up. I'll let the sleuths here have a go, as my brain cells are scrambled as of late. I'll look back through my notes, and see if I can find anything useful.
 
I've been following up on many of the leads presented earlier. I'm sorry if I don't give credit to specific people.

Re stonecutting v. farming, I have noticed that a couple of Treleavens (William and Richard) and a Moyle (Thomas, a cousin) were ALL stonecutters up until about 1818. After that they are listed as farmers.

I wonder if there was some major project (church?) that finished at that time and there was not enough work for them to continue afterwards? Two of them went to Canada...perhaps because the opportunities in England had become too limited?

Re Devon, I need to do more research but the oral history was always been that the family spent a little time in Stoke Damerel and Plymouth before departing for Canada. The prompting here sent me back to review history that others have gathered and one of the accounts says that in addition to William and Jane/Jenefer (and their kids), William's brothers Thomas (bp 1780-2-09) and Richard (bp 1787-10-25) and their mother Mary (Dyer) Treleaven (b 1753) were also living there.

BTW, for reasons I don't understand, "Treleaven" mostly became "Treliving" in Devon. James Henry is baptized for William and Jane on 1828-1-7 at Morrice Street Wesleyan in Deveport [1]. I'm unable to view the original record but the account says that the surname was written "Treliving". When the poor little guy dies at age 3, the death register (which is online) has him as William James Henry Treliving [2].

[1] https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:NPW2-V43
[2] https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KC9W-PK4

William's mother, Mary (Dyer) Treleaven passed away in 1832 in Devon. Others have reported that she was buried in Stoke Demerel but the online listing doesn't say that, specifically. The register apparently lists her as "Treliving", as well:

[3] https://www.familysearch.org/ark:/61903/1:1:KC94-N7Q

Anyway, fun and games and you lot have really prompted me to go in and find support for a lot of the information that I've leached off other researchers.

Craig
 
trlvn said:
BTW, for reasons I don't understand, "Treleaven" mostly became "Treliving" in Devon.
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That happens all over the place. Literacy was not as good and spelling not as important as it is these days and so folk wrote what they heard. Regional accents also played a part.

Certainly keeps you on your toes! ;)
 
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