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sarajohn

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Hi ,I am still stuck on tracing GGrandmother Margaret Mayhew,nee Cutler married in 1868 to Frederick Mayhew in Kent. I have recently been told that her parents were one Irish and one Jewish!? This source said that she was tiny and red haired and did come from Liverpool but I am curious as to how likely this parentage would have been in the 1840s. The only info I have is from her marriage certificate ( father James Cutler, Tailor)and subsequent census returns but as I said in previous threads, can find no definite reference to her family before then. Would the parish records have needed any other info.not listed on the certificate such as her birth certificate as her father was not present. Any help really appreciated.
 
Hi Sarahjohn. Have you info on hubby? I have found nothing on Margaret but there is a baptism for a Frederick Mayhew on 7th September 1835 at an Independent Chapel in Strood Kent.

To get married in church she would either have needed banns to be called or a licence if she was under age. I am not sure whether she would have needed a birth certificate. Did she marry in her husband's parish?
 
As she married in the Medway area, you may be lucky & scroll through the marriages- even baptisms on Cityark- & find more info.
 
Only found one MArgarett Cutler so far b. 1844 east Retford, Nottinghamshire, England Pts Thomas & Ann. Thomas a cordwainer.

Frederick Mayhew a Police Constable b. suffolk, 1850.
their two dtrs born Rochester.
Births Jun 1869
Mayhew Margaret Elizabeth Medway 2a-420
Births Mar 1871
Mayhew Florence Jessica Medway 2a-464
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I have checked
St Peter, Rochester x no marriage
St.Nicholas, Rochester x "
St Margarets, Rochester x no marriage.

Turns out it was 3rd Aug. St.Mary's Chatham. Margaret's Father James & Frederick's Father Robert.
 
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OK...I am confused here. You say your Margaret Cutler Mayhew had an Irish parent and a Jewish parent..and I think I understand what you are asking.

First off, Cutler doesn't sound particularly Jewish and there is a baptism for him, so it probably was the mother. But you don't know what her maiden name was.....right? As for how they were "accepted", that's a whole different subject.

Just wanted to sort out what you are asking so that someone can answer you. Can you make this a bit clearer? Or give a clue as to the woman's surname? She may not have been born in England as well.
 
tracing GGrandmother Margaret Mayhew,nee Cutler married in 1868 to Frederick Mayhew in Kent.
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Aug.3 1868 Frederick Mayhew 19 bachelor milkman residing at Chatham at time of marriage-son of Robert MAyhew, milkman.
married Margaret Cutler 21, spinster res, Chatham at time of marriage dtr of James Cutler, a tailor.

Officiating Minister John Dart.

Wit's. James Smith (his mark) & R W Coldwell sic (he witnessed other marriages)

1851
Frederic Mayhew abt 1850 Denham, Suffolk, England Lodger-with his Family Worlingworth, Suffolk
HO107; Piece: 1796; Folio: 404; Page: 7

1871
Denham, Suffolk, England
Civil Parish: St Nicholas
County/Island: Kent

RG10; Piece: 902; Folio: 54; Page: 13
 
Probably an adult, doesn't list as a child.
From Lancashire OPR
Baptism: 20 May 1849 St Mary RC, Osbaldeston, Lancashire, England
Margaret Cutler -
Notes: A convert
Baptised by: Thos. S. Irving
Source: Original Register at Lancashire Archives
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edit forgot this bit:
Births Dec 1843
CUTLER Margaret Liverpool 20-321
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Births Mar 1844
Cutler Margaret Harriet E Retford 15-539. She matches the one in earlier post I'd come across.
 
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Good stuff, Wendy......but I think she wants to get info on Margaret Cutler's mother......looks like she has no idea what her maiden name was. And then again, maybe I misread it...:eek:
 
Figgs said:
Good stuff, Wendy......but I think she wants to get info on Margaret Cutler's mother......looks like she has no idea what her maiden name was. And then again, maybe I misread it...:eek:
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si capire, Heather. I just wanted to establish a basis of known 'facts' to work out if her Father was indeed James & where he was (1) born, (2) resided, to try to link him to Margaret & if totally lucky, her Mother. Always possible that she didn't know for sure who he parents were.
If as suggested parents or one of were from Liverpool,we don't know when an arrival in UK occurred.
Deaths not helpful in those years on FreeBMD as no ages given.
 
Cutler doesn't sound particularly Jewish - figgs #5 - sorry don't know how to do the quote thingy
My husband's jewish line surname is Davis and they were in London on 1841 census and I too thought must have changed their surname on arrival but that is not so, apparently Davis is quite a common jewish surname in Poland, Chelmno area according to research
 
Thanks everyone, Frederick Mayhew is my GGrandfather and I can trace him back with no problem but Margaret Cutler pops up on the marriage certificate but I cant be sure of her background. The Jewish/Irish connection is only a family story but I am sure she was a tiny redhead. What I cant work our is if it was James Cutler,her father who was Jewish or her unknown mother. I am guessing he would have been born around 1815ish. Is it likely that he might have gone abroad to find work ?
 
Hilda,
Cutler doesn't sound particularly Jewish - figgs #5 - sorry don't know how to do the quote thingy
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click on reply page, write your bit then click on :4th icon in smilies. hi-lite your text -click 'insert' 'quote'- then bob should be your uncle, & post as you wish.
 
Using iPhone & useless to post with but was the "convert" the right person? Muddling up the equation is that Jews were usually tradesmen such as tailors, etc. But my bet is on the wife (convert, no records). I traced Jewish ancestors for a friend that were in London earlier than the 1850's. Later...
 
HildaW said:
Cutler doesn't sound particularly Jewish - figgs #5 - sorry don't know how to do the quote thingy
My husband's jewish line surname is Davis and they were in London on 1841 census and I too thought must have changed their surname on arrival but that is not so, apparently Davis is quite a common jewish surname in Poland, Chelmno area according to research
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Interesting.......I was tracing Lipmans, and others. They seemed to have been in the London area for a long time. All involved in trades or banking. The interesting part is that the name was Polish, not English.

By the way, I replied to this simply by clicking on reply at the bottom of YOUR above post.......I could have removed a line or two using my cursor, but leave the
parts at start and end IN.
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I woke up thinking on this today. Always possible if Margaret was born in Liverpool, her Mother or someone else, (perhaps her Mother died) may have taken her back to Ireland.
Later she returned in time to marry Frederick. Unless baptised in Ireland, (didn't seem to happen in L'pool) it will be hard to trace her unless somewhere there is a sibling.
 
Figgs said:
Interesting.......I was tracing Lipmans, and others. They seemed to have been in the London area for a long time. All involved in trades or banking. The interesting part is that the name was Polish, not English.

By the way, I replied to this simply by clicking on reply at the bottom of YOUR above post.......I could have removed a line or two using my cursor, but leave the
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LOL.....next time I will take that nasty word 'quote' out....couldn't figure out what I had written, but obviously that did something or other.
 
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