Where was he born

PeterC

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My problem is this. How do you find the birthplace of a man when you don't know where his family came from? I know roughly when he was born (1782), which regiments he joined and where he fought, who he married, how many children he had, their names and what they became, and where he and his family lived and when (but not where) he died in 1815. But neither the military museum nor War Office papers show where he came from. His marriage license shows that he was from Kington, but that maybe only because he wanted to marry a girl from Kington.
Can anyone help please?
 
Hi Peter - could you provide the details that you have and then the members can start to have a ferret around. :)

Many thanks,
 
Hi Peter - could you provide the details that you have and then the members can start to have a ferret around. :)

Many thanks,

My detailed dates are in Spain but heregoes with as much as I can recall or have to hand.

His name was William Blakely, sometimes Blakeley, and he was born around 1782. He joined the Leicester Fenc in 1798 aged 16 as an Ensign.
He switched to Devon and Cornwall in the same year and fought in Ireland until disbanded in (I think) 1802. He finished as a Lieutenant.
He does not appear again for a while but there are letters to the C in C requesting appointments. He had an interview with Duke of York as well and was recommended but nothing appears to have come of it for a while.

He ends up in the 7th West Indies Regt in 1807 (I think. This is a date I cannot remember). This I believe was to be with his brother Theo who apparently had a trading business in Tobago. There is a later letter from Theo stating that his brother William is very ill and needs to return home. It is not clear whom he was requesting assistance from and there is no address, but he addresses the recipient as 'my very dear friend' and it is clearly written to someone in the Army.

William returns to either England or Ireland. Maybe Ireland because there are several letters requesting employment with addresses in Dublin. These may be his address or his family or the person he used to write the letters.

William married Anne Turner of Kington Herefordshire (Presteigne) on 11 March 1811 and I have his license and certificate but no details are given except that he was over 21 and was a member of the Parish.

They had three male children. William, the eldest, was born in Palermo in Sicily in 1812 while his father was fighting with the 62nd Regt of Foot. This son became a surgeon in Kington and Isle of Man. The second son became a Rector and worked around Kington and Lilleshall for all his life, and the third, William Spettigue, was born after William's death. He married well and became a farmer in Lilleshall living in Penrhos Court. Two of the sons were involved in setting up the first Bank of Kington.

William died in March 1815 (Army lists) but I have no idea how or where.

William the surgeon married in Dublin to the daughter of a Captain Hatch. How he met her I have no idea but it makes me think there may be a connection with Ireland.

I had a great deal of help from the 'Wardrobe Museum of the 62nd Regt' from which a lot of these dates have come and for which I am very grateful. Now, however, I am stuck and do not know where to go. I had someone look into his applications for joining the Leics and the 62nd but without success.
 
Peter have you tried for any info on Theo-Theodore? in the hope that birthplace or parents are mentioned? In the past I was able to find info on Trinidad Tobago butt today it eludes me.
Do you know of any other siblings?

so far anything near has been of people born in USA.or slightly different name ie 'Bulkely'. Found a Theo 'intestate' who had a Horatio act as administrator for letters granted in 1851 USA again.

I thought I'd found a will for William in 1814 but 'twas of a Sarah Blakely leaving all to her brother William signed in 1808.
Have you found anything such?
 
Wendy thanks for your response. I have tried Theodore and Theophilus (used elsewhere in the family) and I also tried Trinidad and Tobago. I did come across a Theodore Blakely in Tobago at that time and he was a trader so it may have been him but there was no further information other than that he voted at a council meeting. Apparently there was an American ship that left Baltimore (I think)for Trinidad loaded with beef cattle and tobacco and other stuff. Everything had been ordered by the British but after the ship sailed the British government issued a decree that no American products could be imported to Tobago. He argued that they needed everything except the tobacco which would be sold in competition at low prices and eventually the council allowed everything in except the tobacco.

I have looked at a few things in Dublin and tried some of the addresses that letters came from thru the Archive office by email. No luck so far.

There are a lot of Blakely's in USA but i dont somehow think he came from there. Theo may well have gone there after Tobago but I really have no information on him at all.

There is another Theophilus Blakely connected with the Blakely Rifle and I like to think there may be a connection as his father was an English vicar who went to Ireland. if you dont know the history of the Blakely Rifle it is a fascinating story and well documented. Though it is a little later than the period we are looking at. PeterC
 
In case you do not have this (source Herefordshire FHS Burials Index 1813-39):

2 April 1816 at Kington William BLAKELEY, Lieut 62 Regt, aged 32

There are no other BLAKELEY (or variants) on the Burial Index.

The FHS Marriage Index 1538-1837 has the marriage of William & Anne in 1811, but there do not appear to be any other BLAKELEY/BLAKELY/BLAKLEY/BLACKLEY marriages on it, so I doubt he came from Herefordshire, which isn't a lot of help to you unfortunately.

Janet
 
Wendy thanks for your response. I have tried Theodore and Theophilus (used elsewhere in the family) and I also tried Trinidad and Tobago. I did come across a Theodore Blakely in Tobago at that time and he was a trader so it may have been him but there was no further information other than that he voted at a council meeting. Apparently there was an American ship that left Baltimore (I think)for Trinidad loaded with beef cattle and tobacco and other stuff. Everything had been ordered by the British but after the ship sailed the British government issued a decree that no American products could be imported to Tobago. He argued that they needed everything except the tobacco which would be sold in competition at low prices and eventually the council allowed everything in except the tobacco.

I have looked at a few things in Dublin and tried some of the addresses that letters came from thru the Archive office by email. No luck so far.

There are a lot of Blakely's in USA but i dont somehow think he came from there. Theo may well have gone there after Tobago but I really have no information on him at all.

There is another Theophilus Blakely connected with the Blakely Rifle and I like to think there may be a connection as his father was an English vicar who went to Ireland. if you dont know the history of the Blakely Rifle it is a fascinating story and well documented. Though it is a little later than the period we are looking at. PeterC
In case you do not have this (source Herefordshire FHS Burials Index 1813-39):

2 April 1816 at Kington William BLAKELEY, Lieut 62 Regt, aged 32

There are no other BLAKELEY (or variants) on the Burial Index.

The FHS Marriage Index 1538-1837 has the marriage of William & Anne in 1811, but there do not appear to be any other BLAKELEY/BLAKELY/BLAKLEY/BLACKLEY marriages on it, so I doubt he came from Herefordshire, which isn't a lot of help to you unfortunately.

Janet
In case you do not have this (source Herefordshire FHS Burials Index 1813-39):

2 April 1816 at Kington William BLAKELEY, Lieut 62 Regt, aged 32

There are no other BLAKELEY (or variants) on the Burial Index.

The FHS Marriage Index 1538-1837 has the marriage of William & Anne in 1811, but there do not appear to be any other BLAKELEY/BLAKELY/BLAKLEY/BLACKLEY marriages on it, so I doubt he came from Herefordshire, which isn't a lot of help to you unfortunately.

Janet
Janet
In case you do not have this (source Herefordshire FHS Burials Index 1813-39):

2 April 1816 at Kington William BLAKELEY, Lieut 62 Regt, aged 32

There are no other BLAKELEY (or variants) on the Burial Index.

The FHS Marriage Index 1538-1837 has the marriage of William & Anne in 1811, but there do not appear to be any other BLAKELEY/BLAKELY/BLAKLEY/BLACKLEY marriages on it, so I doubt he came from Herefordshire, which isn't a lot of help to you unfortunately.

Janet
Thank you for his burial details. I did have a look around the churchyard but do not have the FHS Index. The Army Lists state that he died in March so presumably it was at the end. Is the date you have given his burial or death date?
Interesting that he is supposed to be 32 years old. When he joined the Leics Fencibles he is supposed to be 16 and that was in 1798, so the dates are not very reliable. If your date is right that would give a birth year of 1784 instead of 1782.
 
Peter ,I had heard of the Blakely Rifles, & always thought it a litte large to call a rifle, I just googled to refresh.
The design is similar to that of the Armstrong guns of Sir William George Armstrong. Blakely believed that Armstrong had infringed upon his patents, so when Armstrong became superintendent of the Royal Arsenal at Woolwich, Blakely stopped offering his designs to the British Army.

Another query I had yesterday, if this is the first born son of your William & Anne, might he have been named for the Fathers of William & or Anne? Now seeing the name of the name of William's competitor in the gun business I wonder.....?
George Armstrong Blakeley
Christened: 02 Dec 1814
KINGTON,HEREFORD,ENGLAND
Pts: William Blakeley + Anne
 
Iniscarra Cemetery- Holy Schmoly- blog
"Mary William daughter of John Stewart of Belfast, wife of the Very Reverend Theophilus Blakeley Dean of Down, mother of Captain Theophilus Alexander Blakeley a prolific designer of rifled cannon.
Theophilus Alexander Blakeley born 1827 Sligo Ireland died 4 May Callao Peru.
Apparently moved there to avoid a bit of 'trouble' elsewhere. Per 'Findagrave'
 
Theophilus Aleaxander Blakeley died of yellow fever with his 'lady' Harriet Capel.
Google book: Family Secrets: Shame and Privacy in Modern Britain.
Sorry Peter but it was compelling reading. :oops::oops:
 
Hi Peter,
You say in one of your previous posts that your William had a brother Theo.
Could this be the Rev Theophilus Blakeley.
Theophilus Blakeley was the eldest son of Robert Blakeley Esq of Monktown Castle, Dublin by Mary Cusak of the County of Meath. He was educated at Trinity College Cambridge and was ordained by the Bishops of Kildare 1800. There is also a bit on the son Theophilus Alexander Blakeley and his military career including Gibraltar etc.
corkpastandpresent.ie/history/bradysclericalandparochialrecords/volume3
(pdf file)
pages 151 and 152
 
Peter ,I had heard of the Blakely Rifles, & always thought it a litte large to call a rifle, I just googled to refresh.


Another query I had yesterday, if this is the first born son of your William & Anne, might he have been named for the Fathers of William & or Anne? Now seeing the name of the name of William's competitor in the gun business I wonder.....?
George Armstrong Blakeley
Christened: 02 Dec 1814
KINGTON,HEREFORD,ENGLAND
Pts: William Blakeley + Anne
Hi Wendy

Thanks for your comments.

Yes George Armstrong was the middle son of William and Anne and he became a vicar or curate or whatever but as far as I know he stayed in the Kington area all his life. (Hereford Times quotes various), Must admit I had not made the connection with the name of the competitor in the gun business except for the 'Theophilus' bit which is a bit unusaul I would think.
Peter
 
Hi Peter,
You say in one of your previous posts that your William had a brother Theo.
Could this be the Rev Theophilus Blakeley.
Theophilus Blakeley was the eldest son of Robert Blakeley Esq of Monktown Castle, Dublin by Mary Cusak of the County of Meath. He was educated at Trinity College Cambridge and was ordained by the Bishops of Kildare 1800. There is also a bit on the son Theophilus Alexander Blakeley and his military career including Gibraltar etc.
corkpastandpresent.ie/history/bradysclericalandparochialrecords/volume3
(pdf file)
pages 151 and 152

Hello Archie's Mum

Now that is very interesting and something I did not know. I dont know if they are the same person but it sounds as though they could well be. The only information I had on Theo was that he went to Tobago and acted as a trader and it was because he wanted to be near him (and because he was not offered anything better) that William joined the West Indies Regt. I suppose Theo could have been ordained and then left the church and gone into business. Is there any way we can check if Theo had a brother William?

You know, thinking again about this. If I remember rightly (and I have not checked this for a long time so my memory could be wrong) didnt this Theo become a Bishop in Ireland? I don't know. There are so many similarities with the names that I think there has to be a tie up somewhere. Just not sure where and dont want to jump to too many wrong conclusions!

PeterC
 
I have just read in the Hull Packet 21 dec 1855, in an obituary for TB that he was 'appointed Dean of Connor by the Whigs in 1807' Was that the same year your Theo was in Tobago?
I somehow feel there is a link but maybe not the same man.
 
I have just read in the Hull Packet 21 dec 1855, in an obituary for TB that he was 'appointed Dean of Connor by the Whigs in 1807' Was that the same year your Theo was in Tobago?
I somehow feel there is a link but maybe not the same man.
Hi Grizel

Yes I think there is a link but I cant find it. You are quite right, my Theo was in Tobago in 1807 or certainly very near that date. I have a letter from him written on behalf of his brother but the letter is in Spain so I cannot confirm the date, but it seems unlikely he would return from trading in Tobago to be Dean of Connor. In Theo's letter he also implies that the business was profitable so I cant see him returning even if he was ordained.

Maybe when I get to Spain next week I can upload a copy of the letter and we will see what others make of it. Many heads are always better than one unless trying to reach agreement.

Thanks for looking for me it is much appreciated.

Peter
 
Iniscarra Cemetery- Holy Schmoly- blog
"Mary William daughter of John Stewart of Belfast, wife of the Very Reverend Theophilus Blakeley Dean of Down, mother of Captain Theophilus Alexander Blakeley a prolific designer of rifled cannon.
Theophilus Alexander Blakeley born 1827 Sligo Ireland died 4 May Callao Peru.
Apparently moved there to avoid a bit of 'trouble' elsewhere. Per 'Findagrave'
Just about to send you a comment then realised I had my knickers all confused so sorry about that.

Peter
 
http:
//venn.lib.cam.ac.uk/cgi-bin/search-2014.pl?sur=blakeley&suro=w&fir=&firo=c&cit=&cito=c&c=all&tex=&sye=&eye=&col=all&maxcount=50

Above is Rev TB's career from the Cambridge alumni website. No mention of Tobago there I'm afraid....
 
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