Hartwell and Swales

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Have been tracing family ancestors in Bedfordshire, Cople and nearby towns. They emigrated to Australia. John Hartwell and Edith Swales were the names. Would love to connect with family who still live in England who have traced the families back to 1800's and beyond.
 
I don't have any connection to this family, but are they the couple that married in Hinton Manse, New South Wales on 24 July 1848
 
Yes thats them. Have done a lot of research but link to Hartwell family in Cople not proved and John missing from 1841 census for family. His brother Thomas has Johns dates and John is missing. Newspaper reports have him in court for poaching. Where was he for the census??
One of his sons death certificates gives his middle name as William. He is listen as from Cople in immigration records. Help with definite links would be great.
 
There are several baptisms for Hartwell's in Cople on familysearch, one of them for a John Hartwell son of John and Sarah in 1821.
 
The only Edith SWALES on the Bedfordshire FHS Name Index is that of a baptism at Renhold in 1827, fairly close to Cople. As it is only an Index there is no further information, I'm afraid. The only likely baptism at Cople is the one that Chimp has found above, but there is also a burial for a John HARTWELL at Cople in 1828, but of course it may not be the same John.

Janet
 
Ancestry's Select Births & Christenings show the baptism of Edith to be on 25 December 1827 at Renhold, parents Thomas & Elizabeth - just in case you do not already have this information. 1841 census of Renhold (HO107/1/11. folio 5, page 3) show the SWALES family living at Salt End.

There is a Family Tree on Ancestry for John & Edith which has been researched back to the late 1700's. If it is not yours, it could be worthwhile contacting the owner.

Janet
 
Did your John get an assisted passage? If so it might be worth looking at the passenger list for other people who might have been from the same area as him. At that time, there were many examples of 'pauper emigration' in which poorer folk were 'encouraged' to emigrate to save the authorities here from the expense of supporting them.

From forum posts elsewhere online I see that John (and Edith) emigrated on the Equestrian in 1848. There is a transcript (not sure if it has full details) of the passenger list here:

http://
whitbread.webs.com/theequestrian.htm

Many of the people on the list have Irish names, but there was perhaps a group from the Bedford area: besides Edith Swales there were two other Swales folk listed. The Dawson family (with children Rebecca, Robert, Ralph et al.) were in Renhold in 1841, the same place where Janet has found Edith Swales' baptism. Maybe some of the others are from the same area too?

It's possible there are records at this end somewhere (maybe at the National Archives, among correspondence relating to the Bedford Poor Law Union) of the people who went from that area.
 
janetbooth said:
The only likely baptism at Cople is the one that Chimp has found above, but there is also a burial for a John HARTWELL at Cople in 1828, but of course it may not be the same John.

Janet
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Not the same man

John HARTWELL
Burial Date: 6th October 1828, All Saints, Cople, Bedfordshire
Age: 54
Abode: Cople
 
Chimp said:
I don't have any connection to this family, but are they the couple that married in Hinton Manse, New South Wales on 24 July 1848
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Yes.

JOHN WILLIAM HARTWELL
Birth 15 Jul 1821 in Cople,Bedfordshire, England, United Kingdom
Death 4 Jun 1879 in Bingara, New South Wales, Australia

Arrival in Sydney
Name: John Hartwell
Birth Year: abt 1822
Age: 26
Gender: Male
Arrival Date: 16 Jul 1848
Vessel Name: Equestrian
Origin Location: Great Missenden, Buckinghamshire, England

MARRIAGE TO EDITH SWALES
1848 24 Jul at Butterwick, Hinton, Middlehope, Seaham, New South Wales
Hinton Presbyterian Manse, Minister Robert Blain, witnesses William Swales and W Colins
Age: 27
In one document John listed as abode Hinton and member of Presbyterian Church of Scotland and Edith as member of English Church.
 
Chimp said:
I don't have any connection to this family, but are they the couple that married in Hinton Manse, New South Wales on 24 July 1848
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Thanks for help. Found this. Still trying to figure out where John was for cencus.

Bedfordshire Saturday Before G P Livius W B Higgins Esqrs and Rev WS Chalk

Game John Hartwell pleaded guilty to a charge of snaring on the manor of Cople on. 17t October He was already under sentence for ferretting rabbits Convicted Penalty one pound costs 14 shillings or in default of payment one months imprisonment

20 November 1841 - Northampton Mercury
 
Chimp said:
Not the same man

John HARTWELL
Burial Date: 6th October 1828, All Saints, Cople, Bedfordshire
Age: 54
Abode: Cople
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This I believe was my John Hartwell's father. They came from Hartwell in Northhamtonshire when lacemakers were moving to lacemaking centres. I believe Cople was one. Sarah Hartwell nee Peckover was a lacemaker and trained her daughter. Sarah lived on in Cople in an Alms house. She was in the 1841 census with her children minus John. His Older brother was listed with John's birth year/age.
 
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janetbooth said:
Ancestry's Select Births & Christenings show the baptism of Edith to be on 25 December 1827 at Renhold, parents Thomas & Elizabeth - just in case you do not already have this information. 1841 census of Renhold (HO107/1/11. folio 5, page 3) show the SWALES family living at Salt End.

There is a Family Tree on Ancestry for John & Edith which has been researched back to the late 1700's. If it is not yours, it could be worthwhile contacting the owner.

Janet
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That could be my tree.
 
Huncamunca said:
Did your John get an assisted passage? If so it might be worth looking at the passenger list for other people who might have been from the same area as him. At that time, there were many examples of 'pauper emigration' in which poorer folk were 'encouraged' to emigrate to save the authorities here from the expense of supporting them.

From forum posts elsewhere online I see that John (and Edith) emigrated on the Equestrian in 1848. There is a transcript (not sure if it has full details) of the passenger list here:

http://
whitbread.webs.com/theequestrian.htm

Many of the people on the list have Irish names, but there was perhaps a group from the Bedford area: besides Edith Swales there were two other Swales folk listed. The Dawson family (with children Rebecca, Robert, Ralph et al.) were in Renhold in 1841, the same place where Janet has found Edith Swales' baptism. Maybe some of the others are from the same area too?

It's possible there are records at this end somewhere (maybe at the National Archives, among correspondence relating to the Bedford Poor Law Union) of the people who went from that area.
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Thank you. Will check the leads.
 
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