Benjamin Dennis and Elizabeth Fine. Where were they baptised?

burt said:
All I have used for this is Cornwall OPC. Looking at all their
listings for Wendron 1647- 1664, it is apparent the transcriber
struggled! If so they have Christian Gragson daughter of Wm
for 1653. There are other possible children including a Dorothy
in 1658 if they are that poor! Are the originals on Familysearch?
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I had a quick look but couldn't find the originals.
burt said:
To clarify that for @Genie1
at Ruan Major
1718 Nov 20 Gregorie TREVITHICK of Sithney
& Anne RICHARDS of Landewenack

Their children at Sithney

1720 Aug 24 Christian
1723 Nov 23 ANN
1725 Nov 3 Jone
1727 Feb 16 William
1730 May 19 RICHARD
1737 May 31 Mary
1739 Dec 26 Jenifer

All of these the son or daughter of Gregory except the last
which is Gregory & Ann

I will look again at the further children of Gregory & Dorothy,
I think I saw that in trees but don't trust them, just use them
as a guide.
Recently doing the Cannon family of Babcary, found a Baptism
on 1752 of a John and two marriages for a John, one to a Mary 1777
and one to an Ann 1776. All 80 trees on Ancestry chose the latter.
All 80 trees are wrong as I can show from Deeds.
The reason is a parish the family frequently used has lost its
Registers prior to 1813!
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I don't trust trees either and prefer to look,with help, from here, to get the correct people.
I also buy ,when possible,certificates and wills.
There is a lot to take in and add to my tree.
The last Saturday,Camborne celebrates Richard Trevithick achievement with stalls in the street and later in the day there is a steam engine display. All free.
Code: 
https://www.trevithickday.org.uk/
Does this mean that I shall be celebrating a relative?
 
Archie's Mum said:
Samuel Nancarrow marriage to Julian Martyn 1691 Illogan, their son George Nancarrow born 1733 Illogan.
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The lilie Nancarrow that married into the Osborne clan had a father named Richard and it appears thatt he was born in Redruth and his wife was name Kate.
Lilie was born in 1887 at Redruth. I haven't looked further back with the Nancarrow.
Sydney is my 1st cousin twice removed and Lilie is his wife.
 
Well I have spent quite a lot of time on this in and out today.
Whilst it is true there were entries they struggled with in
Cornwall OPCs transcriptions for Wendron, it would be
necessary for them to both to have the surname incorrect
and the Christian name of the father as well!
Also following right through with Burials and Marriages only
supports there being just the two children for Gregory and
Dorothy, Henry and Gregory.
That being the case perhaps it is a little premature to celebrate
just yet!
It is a great shame that the Baptisms and Burials are not online
for before 1813. Marriages are from 1754.
I suppose it might be worth contacting the OPC for Sithney to
see whether he hold copies of the originals, if he does I would
be more than happy to check them and do any corrections.
We will have to see where Sue (@Archie's Mum) got the info,
I suspect online trees.
 
I have been trying to find where I got John from, I suspect from a well researched tree. However I think I know where Christian 1653 comes from. Instead of being the daughter of Gregory 1614 and Dorothy Pryor, I think she is Christian Matthews who married Gregory Trevithick(1651) and died as a widow in 1717. Now I wonder if Dorothy is a wife of Henry (1647) and not the daughter of Gregory and Dorothy Pryor. But who is John?
 
I am going through this bit by bit.

FMP has details but not originals.
Their spelling
Trevetheke Gregory -father no mother. 1651.
Trevithack Henry -father no mother. 1647
 
The problem is there are 659 trees on Ancestry regarding
this family - so who followed who and which is more
reliable - if any.
For a start it seems quite common practise in some of these
Cornwall parishes not to record the brides surname.
For instance I had a look at Henry Dennis' birth.
There were two choices within a timeframe, both in 1720,
one at Truro and one at St Anthony in Meneage. A general
search shows the latter to have a brother Benjamin and
indeed parents Henry and Mary had children baptised at
St Anthony before moving to Sithney and having more there.
Henry and Mary married at St Anthony in 1718 but lacks her
maiden name. Checking, none of marriages there for a large
period gave mothers maiden name, most annoying!
So no maiden name given at the marriage of Gregory Trevithick
in 1688 Aug 16 at Sithney. Many trees have her as Christian
Matthews - god knows which was the first sheep to decide that!
There are quite a lot of choices of baptisms of a Christian, the
name was quite popular there, there are no clues in Gregory's
Will in 1712 and I have checked through transcribed Wills for
both Wendron and Sithney for clues without result.
 
I should say that OPC's give a question mark for the brides
surname for 1688 which suggests they were unable to read
it. Perhaps a more diligent tree compiler actually checked the
originals and managed to decipher it as Matthews. If so trying
to find their evidences among 659 trees is not easy.
 
Yesterday the internet was on and off all afternoon and today it was a large update. At the moment I am having trouble signing in to familysearch.:headbang:
 
burt said:
The problem is there are 659 trees on Ancestry regarding
this family - so who followed who and which is more
reliable - if any.
For a start it seems quite common practise in some of these
Cornwall parishes not to record the brides surname.
For instance I had a look at Henry Dennis' birth.
There were two choices within a timeframe, both in 1720,
one at Truro and one at St Anthony in Meneage. A general
search shows the latter to have a brother Benjamin and
indeed parents Henry and Mary had children baptised at
St Anthony before moving to Sithney and having more there.
Henry and Mary married at St Anthony in 1718 but lacks her
maiden name. Checking, none of marriages there for a large
period gave mothers maiden name, most annoying!
So no maiden name given at the marriage of Gregory Trevithick
in 1688 Aug 16 at Sithney. Many trees have her as Christian
Matthews - god knows which was the first sheep to decide that!
There are quite a lot of choices of baptisms of a Christian, the
name was quite popular there, there are no clues in Gregory's
Will in 1712 and I have checked through transcribed Wills for
both Wendron and Sithney for clues without result.
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I was going to suggest looking for her married name in a Matthews will, but it seems that territory has been covered.
:reading:
 
Rather than starting in the middle, I will attempt to set down
what seems to be definite from the earliest onward.

At St Enoder
1611 May 27 Gregory TREVETHICK & Katherne HOCKIN
Baptisms at St Enoder
1612 Aug 2 TREVETHICK Reighnold s Gregy
1614 Jan 29 TREVETHICKE Gregory
1617 Oct 26 TREVITHICK George s Gregory
1619 Feb 2 TREVETHICK Jane d Gregory
1625 Aug 28 TREVYTHICK Jone d Gregory & Kather
1628 May 11 TREVETHICK Grace d Gregorye & Florence?
1629 Mar 10 TREVETHICKE Richard s Gregorye
1629 Mar 10 TREVETHICKE Paskow s Gregorye
Select St Enoder Burials
1629 Apr 17 TREVITHICKS Grace d Gregoris
1635 Sep 25 TREWITH... [tight binding]
1656 Feb 10 TREVETHECK Florence w[idow?]
There seem to be descendants of at least George here.
Then a move by son Gregory to Wendron
1646 Feb 25 Gregory TREVETHICK & Dorothy PRIOR
Wendron Baptisms
1647 Jan 17 TREVITHACK Henry s Gregory
1651 Nov 30 TREVETHEKE Gregory s Gregory
Gregory is buried 1696 Jan 27 Sithney
Do not know about Dorothy.
Sithney Marriage
1695 Feb 25 Henry TREVITHICK & Blanch BENFEILD/BRENFELD
or VENFEILD [Phill, OPC or BT]
Sithney Baptisms
1696 Jan 6 TREVITHICK Thomasine d Henry
1699 Nov 1 TREVITHICK Blanch d Henry
Sithney Marriages
1713 Dec 26 John HARKNESS & Thomasine TREVITHICK
1721 Feb 13 Richard UREN & Blanch TREVITHICK
Henry was buried 1725 with a possible Will for 1727 original on FS
I think Blanch remarried.
Sithney Marriage
1688 Aug 16 Gregory TREWITHICK & Christian [Matthews?]
Sithney Baptisms
1689 Sep 2 TREN? Christian d Gregory
1692 ??? ? TREVITHICK Gregory s Gregory [bur 1692 Wendron]
1693 Feb 11 TREVITHICK Gregiry s Gregory
Gregory is buried Sithney 1712 Jun 8 [There is a good Will Transcript
on Cornwall OPC + Inventory where mention is given of wife Christian,
son Gregory and daughter Christian. Henry also gets a mention]
Christian TREVITHICK widow is buried at Sithney 1717 Nov 16
Son Gregory is buried 1747 Apr 26 at Sithney
Ann wife of Gregory is buried Sithney 1744 May 3
 
Yes, but then she disappears off the face of the earth.
I see there is a Will for her brother Gregory 1747,
perhaps that will track her down.
Family Search have these Wills online, but as is sod's
law, those I would like to see are locked! 'Tis a strange
thing that they have so many in a collection that are
available and the rest are not.
I have received a reply from the OPC for Wendron, he is
away till the end of the month, but will address the query
properly when he is back. He said he was aware that many
trees claimed Richard Trevithick, the famous Engineer, as
descending from Gregory at Sithney, to the extent that he made
a point of checking it out and said it was unfounded.
He said that nobody has managed to to take the Engineer's
family back before his grandfather John, he said born circa
1660. But I think there might well have been another
generation in there if the father Richard was born 1735.
 
Baptism for Christian Matthews is at Wendron 1666.
I think as this would make her 21/22 in 1688 she has
been selected. I do not think she is the right one, but
at the moment I have been unable to prove my own
theory on this, so will not at the moment elaborate.
The property the family were occupying in 1712 was
called Bosohow. This would seem to equate with the
present Higher Bosoha Farm or in the close vicinity.
This is due west of Trenear in Wendron parish (where
the Poldark Centre is) and therefore much closer to
Wendron church than Sithney church. I propose that
Gregory Trevithick took over that farm, marrying at
Wendron and having his two kids baptised there.
After, the realisation was that they were in Sithney
parish and used that, so it seems possible to me that
they did not actually 'move' from Wendron to Sithney.
 
The OPC for Wendron, having returned from holiday, has given me
a link to find the original registers for Wendron on Familysearch.
My searches on there previously appeared to show they did not
show originals for baptisms prior to 1812. But FS is not easy
unless you know the Catalogue number.
So sign on / search / catalogue / enter 4168185 in the film box /
scroll to image 1069 as the start of baptisms for Wendron from
1646/7.
I can confirm there are no other children for Gregory Trevethick
or variant other than Henry and Gregory as already found.
 
In my notes I had Christian as daughter of the elder Gregory but should have had her as daughter of Gregory, the brother of Henry. Baptised 24/8/1720 Stithey. Image on FS. :rolleyes: These were only rough notes done some time ago but I lost interest.
 
I think it highly probable there is a shared ancestry between the
Engineer's forbears and those at St Enoder, but proving it is
another thing!
It may be from one of the brothers of Gregory from St Enoder, but
I suspect it to be earlier. Trees suggest that the Gregory that married
there in 1611, is the son of yet another Gregory and Jane, but I do
not think that is so, I think it more likely it is the same Gregory
marrying twice. He was a witness to a deed several years earlier
which suggests he was lurking nearby prior to settling at St Enoder.
At an early date there would appear to be two clusters of the family,
one around St Austell, which I think are the progenitors of the
St Enoder lot and another in the Newquay area who I guess were the Engineers'.
 
I know that my Nancarrows , many years ago (probably in the 1920/30’s or a bit later) took a trip to England and there, they wanted to visit the statue of their distant cousin. But most probably wishful thinking.
 
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