Cause of discharge

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  1. Daft Bat

    Daft Bat Administrator. Chief cook & bottle washer! Staff Member

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    I have just taken another look at the "snapshot" provided and am now wondering the significance of the } to the right of the words.
     
  2. Mutters

    Mutters I am not bossy, I just have better ideas.

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    I also wondered that, I was hoping we would see a bit more, which may answer that question. Did the 66 apply to someone else and they both were discharged for the same reason?
     
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    Thanks Mutters, I have his sister's marriages, no luck there unfortunately.

    There are other disappearing Webbs. His brother George Francis b. 1849 in Clapham, who disappears after 1871. A sister MARIANNE or Mary Ann born in Brixton in 1852 who simply disappears after her baptism in Streatham. Although, thanks to your hint above re witnesses I may have found a clue to follow. Could she have married a Wright sometime before 1874. However, since I can't find her in 1861 or 1871 this is highly unlikely.

    Brother William born Clapham in 1832 disappears after 1871.

    Perhaps they all went to the Mediterranean to live with Henry??
     
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    I will have a closer look but the record I have is taken from Henry's service record so there are no clues there. The 66 refers to his service on the Lord Clyde. Also the handwriting varies for each entry. Must go to work - running late as usual.
     
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    Huncamunca The Knowledgeable One

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    Clutching at straws now . . . I wonder if finding out more about the ship might help.
    Ref. ADM 38/8470 at The National Archives is catalogued as musters for the 'Lord Clyde' covering 28 May 1866 to 12 August 1868:

    http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/Details?uri=C770736

    (This document hasn't been digitised; you could ask for a quote for a copy, or commission an independent researcher to check the document for you.) Is it a coincidence that those dates 1866-1868 are the very same as the ones visible on your document?

    There's some information here about what the 'Lord Clyde' was doing in 1868:

    http://www.
    worldnavalships.com/forums/showthread.php?t=14291
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    What if that initial initial was a bad 'S'? :
    Ser..l or d.., Ins...ld, or Ins..t.
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    Wendy, anything is possible:)

    for the 1st word I have been toying with an initial letter of A, O, D, G and for the second I, L, J, d, S, T:eek:
     
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    Ma-dotcom A Bonza Little Digger!

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    The 2nd word actually looks like an abbreviation for John which makes less sense, how is it we don't have an old 'salt' on board?
    Time for another late brekky.
     
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    Mutters I am not bossy, I just have better ideas.

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    That was a really interesting link Huncamunca.
    So what month was Henry discharged in, is what I'd like to know now?

    Did he, as others did, join another ship?
     
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    Can I post the entire document? Or are there copywrite issues. I purchased the document from National Archives.
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    Not sure what Admin & Moderators here think but the Naval records I have from TNA say the following in the Properties under Document Security, if it helps:

    Printing: Allowed
    Document Assembly: Not Allowed
    Content Copying: Allowed
    Content Copying for Accessibilty: Allowed
    Page Extraction: Allowed
    Commenting: Not Allowed
    Filling of form Fields: Allowed
    Signing: Not Allowed
    Creation of Template pages: Not Allowed

    I admit I don't understand all of this, but we are allowed to copy but not alter; as for sharing by posting online perhaps this doesn't help
     
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    Doug Administrator. The Main Man. Staff Member

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    Post the image Stafford. You have acknowledged the source so all is well. If you have the source reference from TNA it may be an idea to include that also.
     
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    On closer inspection the document appears to have been written by the same person.
     

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    Thank you, Stafford, it is useful to be able to see more of the writing.

    The ship on the second line looks like the Meeance (Google confirms there was an HMS Meeance). Compare the strange M in that word with the beginning of the second mystery word: could it begin with Mo...?
     
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    Following on from your suggestion regarding the history of The Lord Clyde I found a reference to Henry Thomas Webb posted on a World Navy Forum. It appears I only have part of his service record. He left the Lord Clyde and joined HMS Northumberland so could the second word be an abreviation of Northumberland?

    He appears to have transferred to HMS Ariadne in August 1871 and was still in service in 1872.
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    yes, and they write their capital N in a similar manner though it does look more like the M.

    Strange how I can understand everything except what is written in the Discharge column, must be some kind of naval jargonese
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    Well then it means "discharged to the Northumberland" in a kind of cryptic abbreviated way, do you think?

    .... still don't know what that 1st word really is though ....
     
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    Cryptic indeed! I'm stewing because I only have part of his service record. I wonder where the other half is? Or perhaps there is more... Still no idea what happened to him or his siblings but what an interesting journey I'm on -- complete with mutinies, royal commissions, shipwrecks, workhouses and ...
     
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    mugwortismy cat Tenacious to the End!

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    I've looked on TNA and I can only find one record. Is this the one you already have? It's just that the date range goes to 1872 (but perhaps that's the collection as a whole)

    Name Webb, Henry Thomas. Place of Birth: Clapham, Surrey. Continuous Service Number: 22223A. Date of ...

    Admiralty: Royal Navy Continuous Service Engagement Books. C.S. NUMBERS. Name Webb, Henry Thomas. Place of Birth: Clapham, Surrey. Continuous Service Number: 22223A. Date of Volunteering: 06 September 1865. Date of Birth: 06 September 1847.
    • Collection: Records of the Admiralty, Naval Forces, Royal Marines, Coastguard, and related bodies
    • Date range: 01 January 1853 - 31 December 1872
    • Reference:ADM 139/623/22223
    • Subjects:Armed Forces (General), Navy, Labour
     
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    Yes this is the one I have. I have 10 pages but nothing after 1868.
     

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