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1851 Mile Street, Toxteth Park Extra Parochial, West Derby, Lancashire
HO107
Piece number 2188
Folio 451
Page 13

Thomas & Ellen Leyland and 3 children. First child born:-

LEYLAND, WILLIAM
Mother's maiden name - GERRARD
GRO Reference: 1846 D Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 20 Page 993

1861 2, Threlfall Street, Toxteth Park, West Derby, Lancashire
RG09
Piece number 2707
Folio 109
Page 34

Thomas & Ellen Leyland and 4 children

1871 Oak Place, Toxteth Park, West Derby, Lancashire
RG10
Piece number 3804
Folio 29
Page 7

Thomas Leyland (no sign of Ellen but Thomas says he is married) and 3 children

1881 Oak Place, 4, Threllfall Street, Toxteth Park, Lancashire
RG11
Piece number 3648
Folio 30
Page 53

Thomas & Ellen Leyland and 2 children.

1891 Threlfall Street, Toxteth Park, Lancashire
RG12
Piece number 2934
Folio 78
Page 30

Thomas (transcribed by FMP as 22, should be 72) & Ellen and one son.

All the children were born with the mother's name - GERRARD , JERRARD or GERARD

I can't find a marriage between a Thomas Leyland and an Ellen GERRARD, JERRARD or GERARD

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Update on the first born to this couple:-

LEYLAND, THOMAS (died 1844)
Mother's maiden name - GERARD (sic)
GRO Reference: 1844 M Quarter in WEST DERBY Volume 20 Page 1010

I've found this marriage but there is no other person on the page.

Marriages Mar 1843
Leyland Thomas Leigh 21 329
 
Found it, on LancashireBMD

LEYLAND Thomas
LYTHGOE Marya
1843
Astley St. Stephens Wigan & Leigh

Not them :sceptical:
 
Ellen LEYLAND gives her place of birth as Rainhill in the 1851 census. Baptism at Prescot on 15 December 1822 of Ellen daughter of Robert & Rachel GERRARD of Rainhill, Labourer, which you probably already have. However, this Ellen is still living with parents Robert & Rachel GERRARD in the 1841 census of Rainhill, Prescot (HO107/517/2, folio 30, page 21), so is unlikely to be the Ellen JARRATT who married Thomas LEYLAND in May 1841. Not that I have so far managed to find another marriage for a Thomas LEYLAND to an Ellen GERRARD or variants!!

To fill in your missing census record, Ellen LEYLAND is in the 1871 census of Wavertree shown as a married Monthly Nurse in the household of Joseph WILSON & family.

Janet
 
However, having said all that regarding Ellen & the 1841 census record, looking at Thomas LEYLAND's date and place of birth on the 1851 census, the only likely fit is that of a baptism on 1 October 1820 at Prescot of a Thomas son of Samuel & Martha LAYLAND, Prescot, Joiner, which fits in exactly with the details shown on the marriage record that Londoner found for you at Liverpool St Nicholas in 1841 and for your Thomas LEYLAND's occupation in the 1851 census record of Toxteth, so I do think it is the correct marriage record. I, too, have GERRARDs in my Tree and there are so many variations in the spelling of the surname!!

Janet
 
Been doing more research on this family.

Thomas & Ellen had 12 children in total. The first 6 died by the time they were 5 years old (ranging from 1 day to 5 years) with another one dying aged 20 months in 1864. That only left 5 children to make it to adulthood and I'm not sure about one of them. One only appears on the 1861 census and is never seen again.

How on earth do they cope with losses of so many children.
 
So, so sad. I have one couple in my direct line who had 8 children, only one of whom survived. I know expectations of survival were much lower prior to the 20th century, but still .....

Janet
 
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