John George Tyrell

I am lost for words and so grateful, especially to Mealymoo who seems to have opened the chasm. It is such wonderful information and such a lot to think about. Again I went to bed thinking this branch will mostly remain a mystery and I know there are a lot of unanswered questions yet but I am amazed at how much information you have all gained. The two sisters Theresa and Sarah were born in St Pancras to Irish parents, they were two of a family of thirteen children. I believe they were catholics. Theresa and Sarah were the youngest two children, with my great grandmother Catherine being the next oldest. Their father was a tailor, he made an appearance on Top Dog when I was looking for his death. Their mother Jane also made an appearance, she was run over in Regent Street. It's so good to find out more about the lives of the ancestors. Despite this being a large family, it seems that family life was difficult for a lot of the children in their turn.
Thank you so much to all who helped and showed their interest.
 
I know Sarah was definitely alive in 1901, she was staying with her sister.
Class: RG13; Piece: 97; Folio: 149; Page: 29. She was recorded as married then.
I think that possibly I have her in 1911 but not definitely Class: RG14; Piece: 2060
 
In 1891 Thomas Tyrrell, sculptor, and his wife Marian RG12; Piece: 53; Folio: 132; Page: 6;

Next door, previous census page
George Tyrrell, 34, stone carver, Ireland
Caroline wife, 35, Stoke Newington
George Ernest, 4, son, Surrey
Edith Kate, dau, 2, St Pancras
Ethel Minnie, dau 10 months or days? Walthamstow, Essex
 
I cannot find a marriage between George Tyrrell and Caroline. Could George be John George, Sarah Connell's husband, living with Caroline but not married to her? I don't have time to investigate further as babysitting my grandson. :)
 
Mealymoo said:
In 1891 Thomas Tyrrell, sculptor, and his wife Marian RG12; Piece: 53; Folio: 132; Page: 6;

Next door, previous census page
George Tyrrell, 34, stone carver, Ireland
Caroline wife, 35, Stoke Newington
George Ernest, 4, son, Surrey
Edith Kate, dau, 2, St Pancras
Ethel Minnie, dau 10 months or days? Walthamstow, Essex
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There is a death for a John George Tyrell JFM 1891 Camberwell same sort of area (I think this is Lambeth ). I must go out but later I will be back to this fascinating family.
 
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Mealymoo said:
I cannot find a marriage between George Tyrrell and Caroline. Could George be John George, Sarah Connell's husband, living with Caroline but not married to her? I don't have time to investigate further as babysitting my grandson. :)
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In the GRO index the children of George and Caroline Tyrrell were registered as follows -
George Ernest - Lambeth June qtr 1886 mother's maiden name Clarke
Edith Kate - Pancras Sept qtr 1888 mother's maiden name Clark
Ethel Minnie - West Ham Dec qtr 1890 mother's maiden name Clark

I can't find a marriage between a Tyrrell and a Clark(e) which would fit.
 
Archie's Mum said:
There is a couple John and Sarah Tyrell who appear together on 1881 and 1891 census'. They have daughters Ethel 1877 and Mable 1880 both born St Pancras. In 1901 They appear again but only with John, their father. This is John Tyrell, zoo keeper born Hedingham. Residence is Hawley Road.
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The zookeeper John Tyrell's wife was Sarah Clark.....posts 16 & 15 and living at Hawley Road.
 
I am a bit confused about the Zoo Keeper and wonder was this Hawley Road the same one as at Sarah and John George Tyrells one in 1876, which I am assuming is Haverstock Hill.:confused:
 
Amle said:
I am a bit confused about the Zoo Keeper and wonder was this Hawley Road the same one as at Sarah and John George Tyrells one in 1876, which I am assuming is Haverstock Hill.:confused:
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Me too, Amle, I don't understand where he fits in, perhaps Archies Mum thinks he may be a cousin????
 
Caroline and her daughter's in 1901, no George snr. but he shows up again in 1911! when Caroline says married 27yrs. I still haven't found a marriage and as the couple moved north to Chester I'm inclined to think it a strong possibility George is John George, wife of Sarah Connell. No proof though.

1901, Chester. RG13; Piece: 3373; Folio: 112; Page: 3
Caroline Tyrrell 45, mar. Stoke Newington, London
George Tyrrell 14, Brixton
Edith Tyrrell 12, Regents Park
Ethel Tyrrell 10, Walthamstow, Essex

1911, Chester. RG14; Piece: 21873
George Tyrrell 54, sculptor, stone and wood carver. Dublin
Caroline Tyrrell 55, married 27yrs, 3 children born all still alive.
Edith Kate Tyrrell 22, milliner, Regents Park
Ethel Minnie Tyrrell 20, tailoress, Walthamstow
 
Mealymoo said:
Caroline and her daughter's in 1901, no George snr. but he shows up again in 1911! when Caroline says married 27yrs. I still haven't found a marriage and as the couple moved north to Chester I'm inclined to think it a strong possibility George is John George, wife of Sarah Connell. No proof though.
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I can see where you are coming. Nothings impossible.
 
Amle said:
I am a bit confused about the Zoo Keeper and wonder was this Hawley Road the same one as at Sarah and John George Tyrells one in 1876, which I am assuming is Haverstock Hill.:confused:
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As has happened with others in the past,-might George/John have worked for atime as a small Zoo keeper for some-one when not getting work as a sculptor? Thus two addresses- home & work.
Was there ever a small Zoo [private] in the area?
Perhaps he sculpted animals.

I looked through London electorals & their was a John :
John Tyrell-
1881 + 1882 Tower Hamlets All Saints Poplar-18 Cotall st +
1885-1899 @25 Hawley rd Camden.
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George Tyrell 1880 -18 Cotall St Tower Hamlets.
+1899-1902 @ 9 wyke Rd.Bow & Bromley. etc.

rather too many to go through in one hit tho'. Pity the didn't give occupations.
 
I've had a lovely day with my grandson, he has a wonderful sense of humour, he's back here with me tomorrow :), so I must leave this thread for now and hopefully get a good nights sleep.

Good luck to all searchers, I'll check in tomorrow.
 
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I have seen a marriage for John Tyrrell and Sarah Clark on 20 Sept 1874 at Old St Pancras. Both give no information on their fathers and John is a 'keeper'. Then as Archie's mum says post 15, we see the family 1881, 1891 and 1901 this is the Zoo keeper born in Hedington.
I also think also the two Hawley Roads are different.

However the Tyrell and the Lawton families seem more plausible, they are living at the exact same address as John George Tyrrell and Sarah Connell gave at their marriage. I am inclined to think the zoo keeper is a red herring.
 
Mealymoo said:
I've had a lovely day with my grandson, he has a wonderful sense of humour, he's back here with me tomorrow :), so I must leave this thread for now and hopefully get a good nights sleep.

Good luck to all searchers, I'll check in tomorrow.
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Sleep well and enjoy your grandson
 
In a moment of possible madness I have ordered the 1891 death certificate for John George Tyrrell. It was bothering me. I think it may be hopelessly wrong. I feel John George is accounted for in 1871 and possibly 1881, thanks to MealyMoo, post 8. The waters then get muddied by Hawley Road and two possible families whose wives both have a maiden name Clarke.
If the 1871 and 1881 census are right and the death is right, it would make a tidy end but MealyMoo may also be right and have found John (now George Tyrell) with a new family in Chester. I will keep you all informed but don't hold your breath. Thanks everyone.
 
Amle said:
If the 1871 and 1881 census are right and the death is right, it would make a tidy end
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A tidy end would be great, Amle :). Oh yes, do keep us up to date.

My baby grandson is having his morning nap giving me a chance to do more searching. I'll look for a likely death for the chappy in Chester, to see whether he's registered as George or John George.
 
The only suitable death in Cheshire is:
Deaths Jun 1911, Tyrrell George age 55 Chester 8a 227

The 1911 census was taken on 2nd April.
 
Hello amle (et al) What a fascinating family you have! I do like the idea of John George morphing into George and going off to sculpt in Chester....

Some idle googling took me to a website called British Family Tree Research which has for sale for £4, a postcard addressed to a Miss E Tyrell 4 Gladstone Ave Chester, date 1910.
Probably more than you'd like to pay though and may have no information of use!.:)
 
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