John Hoyland 1783 - 1827

Not saying this Sarah is yours... but maybe.

Freebmd has the death of a Sarah Hoyland in the Kings Norton registration district in the Mar qtr 1863 6c 289. No age given.

Ann's post above has Sarah Hayland aged 80 living at 24 Noel Road, Edgbaston.

Edgbaston falls within the Kings Norton registration district
 
Horsewood/Hoyland. Thank you Ann & MollyMay. What a dumbo I am. I completely misread that.
 
Edgbaston. Thank you Ann & t'Chimp. That looks right. There I was messing around in Louth when all the time she was in the posh part of Birmingham!
 
AnnB said:
Couple more snippets :)

Sheffield Independent 17th January 1852
Oakes— Hoyland— On Tuesday, at the Parish church, Louth, Lincolnshire, by the Rev. E. R. Mansell, vicar, Mr W. T. S. Oakes, merchant, London, to Ellen youngest daughter of the late Mr John Hoyland, of the former place.

From FreeBMD
Helen Hoyland = William Thomas Smith Oakes – Louth March 1852

From the probate records on Ancestry
William Thomas Smith Oakes of Derwent Lodge, Addison Road, Kensington, died 2nd December 1878, his widow being Helen Oakes and his estate totalling £45,000

Helen Oakes of Derwent Lodge, Addison Road, Kensington died 14th December 1910 probate being granted to William Hoyland Oakes and Montague Percy Rowland Oakes, estate totalling £16,136 5s 7d.

Not really of any help as regards John, but I do like to go off at a tangent :rolleyes:

Ann
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I've just found an interesting document inserted into the Louth Baptism register for 1826. It is a declaration made by Sarah Hoyland in 1855 that Ellen's baptism was omitted from the register when she was baptised on 11 February 1826 having been born in Louth on 26 January 1825 [sic]. It also confirms that Ellen was married to William Thomas Smith Oakes and that in 1855 they were living in Madras. In 1855 Sarah Hoyland was living in Sheffield.

A nice little find!
 
Flook said:
I've just found an interesting document inserted into the Louth Baptism register for 1826. It is a declaration made by Sarah Hoyland in 1855 that Ellen's baptism was omitted from the register when she was baptised on 11 February 1826 having been born in Louth on 26 January 1825 [sic]. It also confirms that Ellen was married to William Thomas Smith Oakes and that in 1855 they were living in Madras. In 1855 Sarah Hoyland was living in Sheffield.

A nice little find!
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Certainly is a nice little find - lovely to have things confirmed in such a way:)
 
I know William Oakes isn't really who you are interested in Flook......but I found this and thought I 'd mention it anyway :rolleyes:
From the Birmingham Daily Gazette 2nd November 1865
The Import and Export Fresh Provision Company Limited.
Amongst the list of “directors in England” - William T. S. Oakes Esq. (Messrs. Oakes Brothers and Co. Nicholas Lane, London), Rutland Lodge, Kensington.

Ann
 
AnnB said:
I know William Oakes isn't really who you are interested in Flook......but I found this and thought I 'd mention it anyway :rolleyes:
From the Birmingham Daily Gazette 2nd November 1865
The Import and Export Fresh Provision Company Limited.
Amongst the list of “directors in England” - William T. S. Oakes Esq. (Messrs. Oakes Brothers and Co. Nicholas Lane, London), Rutland Lodge, Kensington.

Ann
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Hence the high value of his will I presume (post 14). Thank you for this Ann - it's all grist to t'mill.
 
I've been trying to follow up the Frederick Hoyland who was baptised in Louth in 1822 if I remember correctly. In 1851 there’s a 28 year old Frederick Hoyland living at Mount Pisga, Wilham (or Witham?) Road, township of Ecclesall Bierlow, borough of Sheffield (HO 107/2337, f.614, p.12). His birthplace is shown as South Lincolnshire: I wondered if this might be a transcription error, on the part of the census enumerator, for Louth, Lincolnshire.

He was unmarried, an engraver, with an 18 year old servant (Elizh. Haywood) and a visitor (originally listed as his servant also, then corrected) 16 year old Sarah Ann Nixon.

We’d expect this Frederick to be around 18 years old at the time of the 1841 census, but if the instructions were being obeyed his age should be rounded down to 15. So perhaps this is the correct household, in Gill (or Gell?) Str., Sheffield (HO 107/1338, book 7, f.12, p.17):

Elizabeth Hoyland, 30, schoolmistress, y
Frederick do, 15, engraver’s ap., n
Ellen do, 15, n
Hannah do, 7, y
(in a separate household in same building) William Slack, 6, y

At first I wondered if Elizabeth was an older sister of Frederick. However, if I am looking at the correct 1851 census for her (in Gell/Gill St again, HO 107/2338, f.466, p.7), she was a widow:

Elizabeth Hoyland, head, widow, 41, teacher, b. Sheffield
Hannah Maria do, visitor, u, 17 [birthplace appears to be blank]
Ellen do, do, u, 25, teacher of music, b. Louth
Lucy B….iffe(?), do, 6, scholar, b. Hull
Emma(?) Haywood, servant, 27(?), house servant, b.Sheffield

From post #17 there is an Ellen Hoyland in Louth in 1851 with her widowed mother Sarah: she is also a 25 year old teacher of music, born in Louth, like the one in Sheffield. It seems this may be a case of one person being enumerated twice, unless there were two Ellens both born in Louth around the same time who both became music teachers.
 
From the 1851 census Hannah Maria Hoyland was born about 1834, and from the 1841 census she was born in Yorkshire, so this seems a likely birth for her, from the records of the Balby Monthly Meeting (RG 6/883) (e.g. available from Ancestry in their ‘Quaker Birth, Marriage and Death Registers’ collection):

Born the eleventh day of the first month, 1834, Sheffield; Hannah Maria, daughter of Middleton Hoyland and Elizabeth his wife; residence: Sheffield; description of the Father: Ironmonger, not in Membership.

The Sheffield Independent of Saturday 26 January 1833 announced this marriage:

‘On Friday week, Mr. Middleton Hoyland, ironmonger, to Miss Elizabeth Hoyland.’

The same newspaper of Saturday 9 February 1839 has this death announcement:

‘On Monday, Mr. Middleton Hoyland, Gell street, in his 42nd year.’

The Gell Street connection might suggest that the Elizabeth Hoyland, widow, there in 1851 was Middleton Hoyland’s widow. But it niggles that Hannah Maria Hoyland is just called a visitor in 1851 if she was in fact a daughter.

A burial on FamilySearch of a Sarah Margaret Hoyland at Louth in 1839 is explained by this announcement from the Lincolnshire Chronicle of 10 May 1839:

‘At Louth, on the 26th ult., of water in the brain, aged 8 months, Sarah Margaret second daughter of the late Middleton Hoyland, iron merchant, of Sheffield.’

So did Middleton’s widow, Elizabeth Hoyland (who was also a Hoyland before she married) go to visit her (and/or her husband’s) relations in Louth, but lost her baby daughter while she was there?
 
Just another small article in the Sheffield Independent of the 3rd January 1835 which gives a bit more detail of Middleton's family -

Hoyland v Outram. — Mr Sorby appealed for the plaintiff, Elizabeth Hoyland, of York-street, in this town, executor of the late John Hurst Hoyland. The defendant is a brazier, residing at Dronfield. The sum sought to be recovered was £10 16s 2d, for goods sold and delivered. Mr Middleton Hoyland, brother to the late Join Hurst Hoyland, proved the delivery of the goods.....

Ann
 
Thank you Huncamunca and AnnB for these interesting finds. Unfortunately I can't get anything done until tomorrow but I will put my brain in gear then and get back to you with my thoughts.
 
A few more ideas for you, Flook, for when your brain is back in gear . . .

The Sheffield Indexers website has all sorts of useful stuff, including databases of baptisms, marriages and burials. I found it easiest to navigate via the site map:
http://www.
sheffieldindexers.com/SheffieldIndexersSiteMap_Index.html

Numerous Hoylands appear there, including some who were cutlers. Perhaps it will be possible to piece together some family trees from these parish records and the Quaker records.

Probate records may well help. It may be worth checking the Prerogative Court of York / Exchequer Court of York probate index on Origins.net. Unless you are somewhere with free access to Origins (e.g. at an LDS centre) you need to pay to see the indexes, though you can see how many matches there are for particular names in the index without paying.

http://www.
origins.net/help/aboutNWI-yprex.aspx

It looks like you can order copies of these wills via Origins, but at £10 a go it's a bit pricey compared with what we're used to for PCC wills.

And finally . . . it may also may be worth contacting the Company of Cutlers in Hallamshire, whose archive includes apprenticeship records 'of almost 25,000 boys, from 1624 to 1814':

http://www.
cutlers-hallamshire.org.uk/
 
Huncamunca - thank you for your suggestions. They look extremely helpful. At the moment I'm trying to construct a family tree for the Louth Hoylands…it's taking a little longer than I expected!
 
Well I've had a bit of luck. Baptisms for St Peter's Sheffield are on FMP and I've just come across a baptism for a Sarah Dorothy Hoyland on 8 July 1814. (John is described as an organist). This puts John and Sarah's marriage rather earlier than I expected.
 
Huncamunca said:
Also on FamilySearch are burials for a John Hoyland on 22 January 1827 and Sarah Hoyland on 5 September 1828, both at Louth. The burial register, again on Lincs to the Past, confirms the John Hoyland burial but has no age for him. The Sarah Hoyland one has something I can't decipher in the age column, possibly a 14 in which case she is evidently not the wife but maybe a daughter? The burial register for 1813-1833 begins here:
http://www.
lincstothepast.com/Burials/718487.record?pt=T
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Other transcribers believe Sarah's age is 14 and it seems so to me as well. In that case Sarah is almost certainly John and Sarah Hoyland's daughter Sarah Dorothy (post 34).
 
Flook said:
I've just come across a baptism for a Sarah Dorothy Hoyland on 8 July 1814. (John is described as an organist). This puts John and Sarah's marriage rather earlier than I expected.
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Perhaps we should be looking earlier still for the marriage, as it looks like there may have been a son William born about 1808.

At Nichol Hill, Louth, in 1841 (HO 107/639, book 20, f.7, p.7):

Sarah Hoyland, 60, Ind, n
William do, 33, Organist, n
Mary do, 27, n
William do, 1, y
John do, 1 month(?), y
John do, 20, Teacher of music, y
plus a servant

The 1851 census shows William with wife Mary F. and family still in Nichol Hill (HO 107/2111, f.313, p.14). There's a possible marriage in the third quarter of 1837, Louth district, with William Hoyland and Mary Frances Parkinson having matching vol./page references.

In the gap between William Hoyland (born about 1808) and Sarah Dorothy (bapt. 1814) I have tentatively pencilled in the Elizabeth Hoyland who married Middleton Hoyland.
 
Oh yes Huncamunca. Sorry, I wasn't doing this logically. William is mentioned in Grove's Dictionary of Music "He [i.e. John Hoyland 1783-1827] died on 18 January 1827, leaving at least one daughter and a son, William, who served as organist of Louth parish church from 1829 until his death on 1 November 1857".

He was buried at St James' Church Louth 2nd November 1857, age 51. There is a note in the Burial Register "William Hoyland (33 years Organist of the Parish Church of Louth".
 
From the Stamford Mercury, 26 March 1841:
'At Louth, on the 17th inst., (by the Rev. _ Badcock,) Mr. Robert Gray Beatniffe, solicitor, of Waltham, to Mary Anne second daughter of the late Mr. Hoyland, of the former place.'

That explains the surname of the little girl Lucy, which I couldn't read in 1851 (post 28). Robert G. Beatniffe's wife Mary A. was 36 in 1851 (HO 107/2113, f.135, p.39), so born about 1815.

P.S. but on her gravestone, on which she is called Ann [I think she is the same person, not a second wife], her d.o.b. is given as 18 Feb. 1812:

http://www.
rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engggfhg/walthamallsaints/indexes/44.htm
 
Huncamunca said:
P.S. but on her gravestone, on which she is called Ann [I think she is the same person, not a second wife], her d.o.b. is given as 18 Feb. 1812:

http://www.
rootsweb.ancestry.com/~engggfhg/walthamallsaints/indexes/44.htm
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FamilySearch has a Mary Ann Hoyland, dau of John and Sarah, born 8 February 1812 and baptised 13 March 1812 at St Peter, Sheffield.
 
Thanks for these Huncamunca. Mary Ann is a very good find.

I thought I'd sniffed out all the Hoyland children but evidently not, and to get her marriage and death is a great bonus. I'll look at the Mary Ann/Ann find a bit later on. The Beatniffe name certainly gives us creditability that we're on the right track.
 
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