Josiah Cole b 1835 Chatteris

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annabel

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I'm trying to find out what became of Josiah who I can only find with in the 1851 census.
He is with his parents Josiah Cole, a molecatcher, b 1797 Whittlesea(y)
Mary b 1797 Denver Norfolk
Sister Elizabeth b 1832 Chatteris

I haven't found a baptism or death for him and I have a suspicion, if I have the right Cole, that he may have been around Islington or perhaps Wilton, Wiltshire around 1859

Is anyone able to find him? Thank you
 
There is, at 7 William Street, Kensington 1881 a Joshia Cole born 1833 Cambridge, wife Mary born 1858 Middlesex. They are circus travellers, performer.
I think it looks like Joshia not Joshua. It may be Josiah? Again, I can't find any more about them, but it would explain why he is hard to find. Does anyone have any ideas how to find out any about circus folk?
 
Whether this helps or not, I have no idea …….
Bucks Herald 18th June 1881
Annie Barber, wife of George Barber, of Leighton Buzzard, traveller, was charged with assaulting Mary Cole, wife of Josiah Cole, a Round-about proprietor. The defendant is Josiah Cole's daughter by a former wife, and the quarrel it appeared began in a dispute as to whether the complainant was legally married to defendant's father. After an altercation the assault took place, accompanied with very abusive language. The complainant's evidence was corroborated by her husband.—Defendant was fined 10s and 18s costs.
 
Ooh thanks, that's interesting. I found the death of a daughter Mary Ann 7 weeks in the papers in 1882 in Berkhampsted. Mary is Mary Jane, but the only birth I could find was illegitimate, so perhaps Ann Barber was right!
It also said he was a steam circus proprietor, so that would be a steam powered merry go round? A travelling fairground!
 
Bedfordshire Times 14th December 1867
Josiah Coles, an itenerant showman, was charged by Superintendent Young with erecting a steam engine and working it within 20 feet of the carriage way at Tebworth, on the 10th Sept. The defendant is the proprietor of a “round about,” worked by steam, and certainly a very dangerous affair it was described to be. Defendant pleaded guilty. Fined 1s and 5s 6d costs. The Bench recommended that the costs of the service of the summons, which were heavy, should in this case be charged to the county and not upon the defendant, as it was no fault of his that he lived so far off.
 
Well neither Josiah (or his 1st wife and daughter Annie) or his sister Elizabeth, born 1832 and 1833, seem to bother the parish registers, but brothers John and William did, who were born 1818 and 1820.

I have found dad Josiah in 1861 with a visitor who is a primitive methodist minister. If he became a primitive methodist between the 2 sets of children, could it make a difference to any subsequent baptisms?

Although I am rather enjoying the idea that my rather staid ancestor might have had a fling with a man from the fairground (Christmas amusements at Crystal Palace perhaps?) resulting in a September baby, I am still slightly worried I might have mixed up 2 Josiahs. Would someone just join the fair if they weren't from that community? There was a John Cole who was also a steam roundabout proprietor, but I am sure that is not the same one who was son of Josiah senior
 
In 1891 he's at Barking Road, East Ham and gives his PoB as Balsham, Cambridgeshire - RG12/1341/39/31

Josiah Cole 61 Steam Roundabout Proprietor b Balsham, Cambridgeshire
Elizabeth Cole 61 wife b Shoreditch
William Bunn 3 Nephew b Hoxton, London

BUNN, WILLIAM mmn COLE GRO Reference: 1887 M Quarter in SHOREDITCH Volume 01C Page 96

Balsham seems quite a distance from Chatteris, and there was a Josiah Cole baptised at Balsham in 1831, the son of William & Charlotte. In 1851 he's in Ipswich.
 
Oh Well done. I see he has a new wife!
What a shame, I enjoyed learning about steam roundabouts.

So I'm back to the start at post 1 again :headbang:
 
annabel said:
I'm trying to find out what became of Josiah who I can only find with in the 1851 census.
He is with his parents Josiah Cole, a molecatcher, b 1797 Whittlesea(y)
Mary b 1797 Denver Norfolk
Sister Elizabeth b 1832 Chatteris

I haven't found a baptism or death for him and I have a suspicion, if I have the right Cole, that he may have been around Islington or perhaps Wilton, Wiltshire around 1859

Is anyone able to find him? Thank you
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Attached to this On Family Search is a tree having Father as Joseph Josiah Cole, born 1796. Wife Mary Hudson, born 1797 died 1852. Married 4 June 1816 Chatteris.
Children are:
Martha 1817
John 1818
William 1820
Elijah 1824
Jemima 1828
Elizabeth 1832
Josiah 1835
Not sure how correct all this is though.
 
Two marriages. Possibles.
Josiah Cole 24/4/1857 to Sarah Goodman, Chatteris father John Cole
Josiah Cole 30/07/1867 to Hannah Clarke, Chatteris, father John Cole.
 
Archie's Mum said:
Two marriages. Possibles.
Josiah Cole 24/4/1857 to Sarah Goodman, Chatteris father John Cole
Josiah Cole 30/07/1867 to Hannah Clarke, Chatteris, father John Cole.
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Yes I think he married 3 times!
Thanks for the possible other children, they look interesting
 
Archie's Mum said:
Attached to this On Family Search is a tree having Father as Joseph Josiah Cole, born 1796. Wife Mary Hudson, born 1797 died 1852. Married 4 June 1816 Chatteris.
Children are:
Martha 1817
John 1818
William 1820
Elijah 1824
Jemima 1828
Elizabeth 1832
Josiah 1835
Not sure how correct all this is though.
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Well Elijah has a baptism and death in 1841 with correct parents. Jemima has no baptism but (only on FMP) gives me the 1841 census with parents and Elizabeth and Joseph b 1835. So is Joseph Josiah? No baptism or death of a Joseph either
 
With the mention earlier of Primitive Methodist visitor in 1861, a Josiah Cole was baptised at Chatteris on 12/6/1816, his date of birth was 12/7/1796. His father was John Cole and mother Susannah.
Josiah (Joseph) married Mary Hudson on 4/6/1816. Could this be the father of your Josiah being baptised into the Methodist faith before his marriage one month later?
 
annabel said:
Well Elijah has a baptism and death in 1841 with correct parents. Jemima has no baptism but (only on FMP) gives me the 1841 census with parents and Elizabeth and Joseph b 1835. So is Joseph Josiah? No baptism or death of a Joseph either
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I think Joseph Josiah is Josiah Snr aka John!
I have no idea where it was assumed his name was Joseph. I guess Jos could be either, Joseph or Josiah.
 
Martha died 5 days after her birth on 25/4/1817
William is farming in 1851, married
Josiah and Elizabeth are both at home in 1851
Elijah died in 1842
Jemima you have found. Just John unless you have mentioned him. Other than that, all accounted for in 1851.
 
It may be worth looking at the military records - especially the Indian Mutiny. There appear to have been several Joseph Coles (although some also switch regiments, just to be awkward!). At least one of them definitely died - Joseph Cole of the 61st Regiment of Foot, died 24 Jul 1857 in India.
 
Archie's Mum said:
I think Joseph Josiah is Josiah Snr aka John!
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The only reference I can find to Josiah sr being Joseph is as the father of an Elizabeth Cole at her marriage. However it doesn't mention a Josiah so it could very well be a different family.
Josiah jr only appears in 1851, Joseph only in 1841 both with the same DOB which is why I wonder if they are the same person
 
Andromeda said:
It may be worth looking at the military records - especially the Indian Mutiny. There appear to have been several Joseph Coles (although some also switch regiments, just to be awkward!). At least one of them definitely died - Joseph Cole of the 61st Regiment of Foot, died 24 Jul 1857 in India.
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Thank you, that's an interesting thought that I will try to look at, but it has triggered a wild one. Thinking about being abroad I remembered that my ancestor lived as a servant, but treated as one of the family, with Frederick Fitch of Hadleigh Hall, Islington who were friends with Dr Livingstone. I've always dismissed this as they don't seem to be related to me, but as Joseph/ Josiah disappeared could he have been a (slightly naughty) missionary with the Methodists? He would have to have gone after Dec 1959 - Jan 1860 if true. They took people from poorer backgrounds didn't they? Less likely to be an explorer, the other option. How on earth would I check that?
 
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