Samuel Chappell

mugwortismy cat

mugwortismy cat

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Erica's thread involving Patey's and musicians reminded me of a musical connection in my tree.

One of my distant cousins married a daughter of Samuel CHAPPELL and Emily PATEY; Samuel was one of the founders of Chappell's Music publishers/shop, which despite a recent move is still called Chappell's of Bond Street

I have looked at wikipedia and Continuum's Music Encyclopedia (available via Google Books) and although both sources state 1834 for the death of Samuel I cannot find a burial, which I hoped would give an age and then I could try to find a baptism. No source I have seen so far gives any birth details.


Ancestry have a copy of his will, giving a Probate date of 20 Jan 1835, I couldn't really read it but I saw mention of wife Emily, music, New Bond Street and St George Hanover Square [England & Wales, Prerogative Court of Canterbury Wills, 1384-1858]
 
FMP have a burial of a Samuel Chappell on 22 December 1834, St. George Hanover Square (Westminster Burial Transcripts - Data Provider is Westminster Archives). His age is given as 52. There is an image of the original register - the abode of this Samuel was Bond Street.
 
Jellylegs said:
FMP have a burial of a Samuel Chappell on 22 December 1834, St. George Hanover Square (Westminster Burial Transcripts - Data Provider is Westminster Archives). His age is given as 52. There is an image of the original register - the abode of this Samuel was Bond Street.
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Thanks Jellylegs :)

That must be him, if I read the first part of the will correctly it said he had dwellings in Bond Street and Hanover Square. And now at least I have an approximate year of birth ;)
 
One of Samuel's other daughters married a music professor called George Alexander OSBORNE in 1860.

He was a widower with two young children; from the 1851 census I found his wife was called Lucy S, b. 1821, in Exeter; looking at the children's baptisms and her death registation I now know that S is for South; I can't find the marriage on FreeBMD

On FamilySearch I found the baptism of a Lucy South ADAMS, Nov 1819 in Exeter

They also show a marriage for Lucy South ADAMS, but it only shows her name, no groom or date; apparently an image can be viewed at thegenealogist.co.uk

Can anyone do a look-up for me?

It's part of "England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)," index. I can't find it in Ancestry's
England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 which I thought was the same thing (o_O?? but I guess isn't)

edit: have just found out that their first daughter Lucy Mary married Emmanuel Bonavia, and they are the parents of Alice Carina Bonavia who married Frederick Percy Howlett from one of my other threads :confused:
The distant cousin that married Samuel Chappell's daughter was a Howlett so it's all in the family as they say :rolleyes:
 
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mugwortismy cat said:
On FamilySearch I found the baptism of a Lucy South ADAMS, Nov 1819 in Exeter

They also show a marriage for Lucy South ADAMS, but it only shows her name, no groom or date . . . It's part of "England and Wales, Non-Conformist Record Indexes (RG4-8)," index. I can't find it in Ancestry's England & Wales, Non-Conformist and Non-Parochial Registers, 1567-1970 which I thought was the same thing (o_O?? but I guess isn't):rolleyes:
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Some of the things labelled by FamilySearch as being from RG 4-8 aren't from RG 4-8 at all. In fact there is a clue hidden on FamilySearch in that they say the marriage is from 'Affiliate Publication Number RG33_069'.

See here for a description of RG 33 from The National Archives' catalogue. RG 33/69 covers Paris:

http://discovery.nationalarchives.gov.uk/SearchUI/browse/C13358

I don't have access to The Genealogist and am not sure that look-ups are allowed anyway. However, you can extract a certain amount of information from the free search results on the BMD Registers site: this shows that Lucy South Adams married in 1840 in France (from RG 33/69; clicking on the reference number brings up the title 'Register of Marriages in the City of Paris from 1837 to 1850'). There is a corresponding entry for George Alexander Osborn (without an 'e').

According to this site, they married at the British Embassy in Paris: http://
basilwalsh.wordpress.com/
 
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If you happen to be Browsing on Ancestry try here:
UK, Foreign and Overseas Registers of British Subjects, 1627-1965 forSucy South Adams
George Alexander Osborne, or the parish of the city of Liminster in Ireland bachelor and Lucy South Adams spinster of the parish of Stephens in the city of Exeter
presence of George H Adams,Mary Eliste Adams, Charles H. Osborne, Caroline Matilda Adams, Isabelle Adams,+ 'someone Annie Bridgeman.' I think.+ "Annie H. ? can't handle this li'l machine.
 
:)thank you Huncamunca for your tips, and for finding that site about Irish Musicians, I shall have to sit down and read it properly later -- my brain and/or eyes don't seem to want to focus right now.

I did gather enough from it to know that there is a mistake; there was a child from the second marriage, as I have found the baptism, but maybe he died young, I've not traced him yet

edit: And thank you Wendy, your message arrived whilst I was typing :)
 
Just a couple of bits from The Times. I was hoping to find a notice regarding the marriage of George Alexander with your Grace Octavia Chappell, but no luck :(

The Times 2nd January 1858
On the 31st Dec., suddenly at 33, Devonshire-street, Portland-place, Lucy South, the beloved wife of George Alexander Osborne, in her 39th year.

The Times 22nd November 1893
In Mr George Alexander Osborne one of the few remaining intimate friends of Chopin and Berlioz has recently passed away. Born at Limerick in 1806, he lived in Paris from 1836 to 1843, and was one of the most successful pianists of his time. His powers as a musician were on a far higher level than the drawing room pieces, such as the once famous “Pluie de Perles”, by which his name was best known in England, and like Thalberg, he excelled in playing Bach, a master whom he warmly admired. He was keenly interested in many of the later developments of modern music, and until a few years ago was a constant attendant at all concerts of importance. As late as last July he was present at the full rehearsal of The Veiled Prophet, the first opera of his friend and compatriot, Professor Stanford.

Ann
 
Having located the birth/baptism of George's son with Lucy, I am now trying to find him in the census.

I have him in 1881 a Temporary Clerk in the War Office, and in 1891 a Retired Army Officer.

I may have found him in 1851 but the place of birth is wrong ... possibly in 1861-1871 he was overseas with the Army?

What I know: His name is George Edward OSBORNE, he was born 6 Mar 1843 in Paris, and bapt. 17 Apr. I know that his parents returned to England in 1844, their family home was near Regent's Park. In 1851 his two sisters are home with an uncle and several servants, his parents are visitors in Canterbury

The 1851 census I have found [HO107; Piece: 1467; Folio: 683; Page: 36] caught my eye for a number of reasons, firstly I was looking for George in a school since he is not at home or with his parents, secondly also in the school is Frank CHAPPELL (a grandson of Samuel Chappell) and an Alexander BRUCE (George's sister later married a Bruce, though I haven't yet worked out if there is an relationship here)

Unfortunately, his place of birth is given as Middlesex, but since that is where he lived the school may have made an assumption

Unfortunately, it is also possible that he is in Ireland with his father's parents ...

Anyway, I thought I'd run it past you to see if it holds water ...
 
It is certainly a possibility. I wonder how long the 'Private Establishment for Young Gentlemen' was in existence at 83 Cambridge Terrace, Paddington and if there would be any further information in any existing school registers. I also wonder if the London Metropolitan Archives would have such a register squirreled away. Worth shooting off an email to them?
 
mugwortismy cat said:
I may have found him in 1851 but the place of birth is wrong ... possibly in 1861-1871 he was overseas with the Army?
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From the London Gazette 19th April 1864
22nd Foot
Ensign George Edward Osborne to be Lieutenant by purchase, vice William Pilsworth, who retires. Dated 19th April 1864

So, if you find where the 22nd Foot were in 1864, you may find George. There are a couple of other refs for George - he appears to retire in 1870.

Ann
 
:)Thank you for your useful replies . My laptop died shortly after my last message :mad: and I am now in an internet cafe, and will try to follow through on some of your clues!

what I should also have maybe told you is that there was a family link between the OSBORNEs and CHAPPELLs before George married Grace Octavia; George's sister Maria Dorinda had married John Cramer Chappell in 1842 (also in Paris) -- though the Frank Chappell mentioned above is not their child
 
:) I am trying to follow through on your lovely clues and have emailed the LMA, but Flook I have to confess I looked at your link and can't seem to understand anything :(... I'm sure it's not hard at all just too much small print and a strangely set up computer that I am not used to means that my attempts to navigate around that page are getting me nowhere --- I hope that my own machine is fixable
 
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George's sister Maria Dorinda had married John Cramer Chappell in 1842 (also in Paris) -- though the Frank Chappell mentioned above is not their child
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I saw the name Cramer and that rang big bells with me. The name must have come from J.B. Cramer. He was quite a big hitter in his field in his day (and his firm was still operating a few years ago). See>

http://
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cramer_%26_Co.

http://www.
piano-tuners.org/history/cramer/
 
Yes Johann Baptist Cramer was one of the three original founders of Chappells Music, along with Samuel Chappell and Francis Tatton Latour (who I know nothing else about); which must be why one of Samuel's sons has the name -- though none carry Tatton or Latour
 
Can I ask for some help with Clarence Arthur OSBORNE b 1863 Marylebone, Middx/London?

I cannot find him in 1871, 1881 or 1891 :(

I presume in 1871 he is at a boarding school, maybe relatively close to home; in 1881 he had probably just left Marlborough College [as I did not see him on any of the 20 pages] and had not yet started at Jesus College, Cambridge; in 1891 he was in the Army, a Capt. in the 6th Dragoon Guards, he retired 1892.

He is no problem in 1901 or 1911 :)
 
On the 1891 census at the Bedford Hotel, King's Road Brighton -
RG12/814/111/12
Is a Clarance(sic) Osborne b1863 a Captain in the ? Lancers (another hand has entered 'army') - but his pob is given as Dublin Ireland.
He is listed as son to the head John K Huntley b1818 Middlesex London
The entry after Clarance is Florence E Osbourne grandaughter b1867 Middlesex London

Not sure if he is yours or not
 
Clarence Arthur Osbourne was a Lieutenant in the 6th Dragoon Guards (carabiniers).
Carabiniers could well be the word on the 1891 census in Brighton not ?Lancers. He could well have been out of the country in 1881, which is why we cannot find him.
 
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