Samuel Chappell

MollyMay said:
On the 1891 census at the Bedford Hotel, King's Road Brighton -
RG12/814/111/12
Is a Clarance(sic) Osborne b1863 a Captain in the ? Lancers (another hand has entered 'army') - but his pob is given as Dublin Ireland.
He is listed as son to the head John K Huntley b1818 Middlesex London
The entry after Clarance is Florence E Osbourne grandaughter b1867 Middlesex London

Not sure if he is yours or not
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That is a most confusing census household! But I am sure it is him :)
thank you 8(:-)

I didn't find it because on Ancestry he was transcribed as a Huntley; also I presume Son is Son-in-law, or more technically Grandson-in-law, but I haven't yet looked into the family of Florence Ethel ELLIOTT [they were honeymooners, they married 5 Apr! i.e. census day]

Possibly Clarence was born in Dublin; in 1901 and 1911 he says Marylebone/London and that is where he was baptised; but I cannot find a birth reg. He was born 24 Apr, bapt 2 Jun, no indication on the Baptism register that he was born elsewhere, abode is given as 22 Dorset Square.

I agree it says carabiniers -- but I had thought he was a Captain at that time rather than Lieutenant
 
Not sure how Florence Ethel ELLIOT gets to be a granddaughter of Mr Huntley :confused:; so far as I can tell her parents are John ELLIOT and Charlotte Georgiana ARMSTRONG -- obviously more in-depth digging required at some stage :rolleyes:
 
On 1st April 1871, the 6th Dragoon Guards were stationed in Dundalk, County Louth, Ireland.

Unfortunately, the original Irish census returns for 1861 and 1871 were destroyed shortly after the censuses were taken. :(
 
He may well have been in Ireland by the time of the 1881 census: the London Gazette of 17 May 1881 reports the appointment of Clarence Arthur Osborne, Gent., as Second Lieutenant in the Dublin County militia, as of 18 May.

Googling brought up quite a few references to him, including some newspaper accounts of an alleged pearl robbery by his fiancée and a subsequent slander case (1891). The story is told here, as part of an article on the Armstrongs, Elliots and their links with the Order of the Golden Dawn:

http://www.
wrighrp.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GD/ELLIOTBANDH.htm
 
I think I am piecing this together with all of your help, but sometimes I feel I am looking at documents in French -- I can read the words but am not sure how to interpret them (still I suppose that's better than Chinese -- there is some hope things will slot into place)

The Cambridge University Alumni entry for him states that he entered/matriculated Michs. 1881 [1 October]. It then summarises his Army career thus Second Lieut., 16th Lancers, 1885; Capt., 6th Dragoon Guards, 1890; retired, 1892

So looks as if he was in the Dublin Militia 18 May 1881-end Sept 1881 [so likely to be in Dublin for the 1881 census], then went to Cambridge for 4 years, and entered the Army as a 2nd Lietenant sometime in 1885 (16th Lancers) before transferring to the 6th Dragoon Guards. The Army list for the 6th Dragoons has him as Lieutenant 6 May 1885, he was then promoted to Captain in 1890.

I still don't know where he was in 1871; I do know that he attended Marlborough College -- when I looked through their census returns for 1871 and 1881 I didn't notice any scholars younger than 10 or older than 17 [but I wasn't being that thorough], so a guess puts him there 1873-1880 -- I expect there is a Marlborough College Register somewhere [SoG?] to help firm up those dates.

Perhaps he was also in Ireland in 1871 with family?? he would have been about 8, so I am still wondering if I may still find him in London in a "Private Establishment for Young Gentleman" much like his elder half-brother (possibly) was 20 years earlier
 
Huncamunca said:
Googling brought up quite a few references to him, including some newspaper accounts of an alleged pearl robbery by his fiancée and a subsequent slander case (1891). The story is told here, as part of an article on the Armstrongs, Elliots and their links with the Order of the Golden Dawn:

http://www.
wrighrp.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/GD/ELLIOTBANDH.htm
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Thanks for all this Huncamunca,

I hadn't got around to Googling yet, I never imagine that the people on my tree will find themselves in a search engine -- then again I'm only related by marriage o_O

it all sounds terribly exciting and esoteric, I'll have to settle down for a good read :)
 
mugwortismy cat said:
I still don't know where he was in 1871; I do know that he attended Marlborough College -- when I looked through their census returns for 1871 and 1881 I didn't notice any scholars younger than 10 or older than 17 [but I wasn't being that thorough], so a guess puts him there 1873-1880 -- I expect there is a Marlborough College Register somewhere [SoG?] to help firm up those dates.
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Ta-Dah! :)

Marlborough College Register, 1843 - 1933
http://
ukga.org/cgi-bin/browse.cgi?DB=15&action=ViewRec&bookID=145

(I have not checked to see if he is there, though...)
 
Daft Bat said:
Ta-Dah! :)

Marlborough College Register, 1843 - 1933
http://
ukga.org/cgi-bin/browse.cgi?DB=15&action=ViewRec&bookID=145

(I have not checked to see if he is there, though...)
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Yes, he's there; in the section for "Entrances in January, 1878"
:)ClarenceArthurOSBORNE.jpg

however, slightly confused by the note "l. Mids. 1877", because if that's a leaving date it is before he started o_O, unless Entrance means something else in this context ... but other entries I've looked at have "l. [term] [year]" later than their Entrance

I can't seem to find an explanation of the layout of the entries .... feeling a bit stupid
 
mugwortismy cat said:
Thanks for all this Huncamunca,

I hadn't got around to Googling yet, I never imagine that the people on my tree will find themselves in a search engine -- then again I'm only related by marriage o_O

it all sounds terribly exciting and esoteric, I'll have to settle down for a good read :)
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It is a 'good read' and almost like something out of a Victorian novel! Do you have access to The Times via your local library? If so, you can read all the newspaper reports - that will keep you out of mischief for a while ;)

Ann
 
AnnB said:
It is a 'good read' and almost like something out of a Victorian novel! Do you have access to The Times via your local library? If so, you can read all the newspaper reports - that will keep you out of mischief for a while ;)

Ann
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I did find a long article on PapersPast :). Poor Clarence Arthur, sounds like a decent sort
 
I've been in contact with the gentleman who wrote the article on Irish Musicians that Huncamunca found online. I told him about George Alexander OSBORNE and Grace Octavia CHAPPELL's son Clarence Arthur who he hadn't known about and he has sent me a lovely family tree for the Osborne's including many people I didn't know about. :)
 
Bravo! I see Grove's Dictionary describes him as: "Among the violinists of the generation after Paganini, Wieniawski must be ranked very near the top." although for our purposes I see he married Isabella Hampton, George Osborne's niece. He died in March 1880 just 2 months before his youngest daughter Irene was born.
 
I have just found an article from the Evening Telegraph of the 14th May 1912, about Mrs Henrietta Loring, widow of Mr J. H. Loring, who cast flowers into the sea from a liner bound from Liverpool to New York at about the spot where the Titanic was lost, her husband having been drowned when the ship went down. It states "she is a young woman, daughter of Henri Wienawski, the Polish violinist".

Ann
 
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