Samuel Shipley Smith

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Puts the Heart into Hertfordshire
Sorry it's a missing Smith, but here goes.

Samuel Partridge Smith was born 1803 St Albans, Herts
In 1828 a man by this name had a son with Anne - Samuel Shipley Smith - who was Christened 11th Dec at St Stephens, St Albans according to LDS

On 24th June 1833 Samuel Partridge Smith married Louisa Hawkins in Redbourne, Herts, also LDS

I have them and subsequent children in censuses where Samuel P S was a butcher, and this son does not appear. Nor can I find Samuel S S anywhere else with any certainty. A man with his middle name died in 1903 in Tenbury, Worcester, about the right age. I have no idea if it is the same one

Is his father the same Samuel P S as mine, I can't find a marriage to Anne?
This middle name does not seem to be in the family. Was it Anne's name? Or is LDS wrong?
Where did Samuel S go?
So many questions...
 
There is a marriage of Samuel Shipley Smith June qtr 1859 Ludlow 6a 1022
The possible spouses are Charlotte Summer or Ann Davies

1901 census RG13/2772/49/15 - White House Cottage, Brimfield, Tenbury

Samuel S Smith age 74 born St Albans, living on own means
Charlotte Smith age 70 born Richards Castle, Shropshire

I will see if I can find them on any other census
 
this is all I've found so far- no positive marriage to an Anne unless in different place.
Samuel Shipley Smith
Birth date -02 Feb 1827
Baptism date-21 Sep 1828
Place-St Albans, Abbey
pts.-Samuel Partridge, a butcher + Anne.
Perhaps he died as an infant? Nothing such shown on Bapt. image.
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Samuel Partridge Smith
Baptism Date: 11 Dec 1803
Baptism Place: Saint Stephens, Saint Albans, Hertfordshire.
Pts: Samuel Smith + Hannah
FHL Film Number: 991323
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Samuel Partridge
Last name Smith
Marriage year 1833
Spouse Louisa Hawkins
Married at Redbourn-24 Jun 1833
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SAMUEL PARTRIDGE SMITH death reg'd 4th q. 1857 St.Albans

Several births at St. Albans to Samuel Partridge & Louisa, & later marriages of dtrs of Samuel partridge.
 
Haha I like that, thank you. He's down as born St Albous, Herefordshire on A :rolleyes:. No wonder I didn't find it
 
There is a burial of Ann Smith 16/12/1831 in St Stephen, St Albans age 32 of Abbey Parish - the same place as is entered on the bap entry for Samuel Shipley- could be your lady perhaps.
 
Found Samuel S in 1861 RG09/2083/62/9 - Haynold Lane, Brimfield, Tenbury

Samuel Smith b1826 St Albans farmer 7 acres land
Charlotte Smith wife b1829 Richards Castle
Lucy Smith daughter b1856Richards Castle
 
This looks like them in 1871 RG10/3039/65/5 - Aynold Lane, Brimfield, Tenbury

Samuel Smith b1829 Herefordshire Albans
Charlotte Smith b1827 Batchcott Shropshire
Charlotte Lucy Smith b1856 Islington
 
1881 RG11/2906/65/1 - Aynall, Brimfield, Tenbury

Samuel Smithb1827 Middlesex St Albans (S Anthan on Anc) Butcher
Charlotte Smith b1827 Richards Castle Shropshire
 
Last one 1891 census RG12/2319/43/2 - Primrose Cottage, Primrose Cottage Lane, Brimfield,Tenbury

Samuel Smith lodger b1828 St Albans Worcestershire* - butcher
Charlotte Smith lodger b1828 Richards Castle

This was added by enumerator - it seems no one knews where St Albans is:D
 
Samuel Shipley Smith's marriage entry in the Shropshire PR's 18/6/1859

It was by licence in the parish of Richards Castle

Samuel Shipley Smith - butcher, residence Batchcott
father Samuel Partridge* - butcher

* this is how it is written no mention of Smith
 
MollyMay said:
There is a burial of Ann Smith 16/12/1831 in St Stephen, St Albans age 32
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That looks promising. If this is right, she was born about 1799.

On LDS I just found a marriage in 1818 of Samuel Smith and Ann Thomas in St Albans. She would have been 19 ish. He was baptised in 1803 so aged 16. So is that likely, or he might have been baptised late?

Hmmm
 
Marriage: 18th June 1859, Richard's Castle, after License

Samuel Shipley Smith, age 34, Bachelor, Butcher, living at Batchcott
Father's first name(s) Samuel Partridge, Butcher
Bride: Charlotte Summers, age 31, Spinster, living at Batchcott
Father's first name(s) (nothing written here), Farmer
Witnesses: Richard Gwilt Davies & Louisa Summers
Married by: W. Williams, officiating minister.

Although the fathers name for Charlotte is empty I would say her parents are Thomas & Esther Summers. There is a baptism for a Charlotte Summers with these parents in Richards Castle on 21st August 1826

An image of the original entries (marriage & Charlotts baptism) in the register are available on FMP
 
Ma-dotcom said:
Have you found any other births for Samuel & Ann between 1818 & 1831?
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There are only 2 births on LDS, in Norton about 23 miles from St Albans
Parents - Samuel Smith and Ann
William 1821 and Thomas 1824
No other info, I'm not convinced they're the right ones
 
When Samuel Partridge Smith married Louisa Hawkins on 4th June 1833 he was a widower:)

They were married by Licence "with the consent of her Edward Hawkins her father"
 
Both the baptismal records from the parish registers for Samuel Partridge & Samuel Shipley are on FMP, the parents for the latter being as you already have them in post 1.

Looking through the parish registers of St Albans, I can only find 3 baptisms for children of Samuel Partridge SMITH, one with wife Anne (Samuel Shipley) and two with Louisa (Louisa & Edward). You should bear in mind that the marriage between a Samuel SMITH & Ann THOMAS in 1818 may not be your Samuel as there is a baptism for a child of theirs in 1819 and he is described as plain Samuel SMITH, Mealman.

Janet
 
Should have said I searched the period 1818-1838 for baptisms (there are an awful lot of SMITHs), so there may be later ones as Wendy has suggested. The burial of Anne SMITH in 1831 does look promising as it says of Abbey Parish which is the address given on the baptismal record of Samuel Shipley.

Janet
 
MollyMay said:
When Samuel Partridge Smith married Louisa Hawkins on 4th June 1833 he was a widower
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That's good thank you, I hadn't seen that detail. Was that on FMP?

janetbooth said:
I can only find 3 baptisms for children of Samuel Partridge SMITH
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Actually I have 10 children, 9 with Louisa (up to 1838 when you looked there was 1 more, Eliza b 1836). But I had only found a baptism for Samuel Shipley. Their 2nd to last child was Helen Hawkins Smith b 1852 and was my gg grandmother
janetbooth said:
there is a baptism for a child of theirs in 1819 and he is described as plain Samuel SMITH, Mealman.
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I wasn't convinced, that Ann Thomas was right, now even less so
 
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