What Does this Say?

[MollyMay]

This is an extract from London Poor Law removal and settlement Records.
Thomas Salter in 1856 I can read all of it, apart from one phrase.




Here is a bigger snippet so you can see more of the handwriting and context


Thank you

 

[Bay Horse]

The first word is clearly in shortened form but I'm struggling too.

 

[Ma-dotcom]

From here it looks like " Rain- never & Co. [Company] Possible differences to first letter. ? ain.

 

[Bay Horse]

Hmm... original a bit clearer (but not much!)

Frequent punctuation would be a big help too. So - to summarise - hath four children still living (to late wife Susannah), Susannah who is 20 now and living in this house with base child Matilda... Ellen 8, Emma 5.

Three words... the first I think it is an abbreviation, possibly starting in 'e', ending in 't'. Second looks like 'never'.

 

[Sandiep]

do you think it could be Eyam never ? It definately looks like the way an E is written and although loop missing from y is my guess

 

[MollyMay]

Ok, I read it as Claim't' (claimant) never & c
but that makes no sense, and I am far from sure that the first letter/s before 'aim' and the superscript t is cl.
Thomas was a fellowship porter (whatever that is) and had been widowed and left with 4 daughters, the oldest already being in the workhouse with her son,
the (BC in the above).

 

[Bay Horse]

Ah yes. Base child, and then Matilda, 10. It's the punctuation again.

 

[Bay Horse]

The word seems to appear from time to time, and I can't make it out. I'm looking back over the previous entries, some of which are in a different hand. This is glaringly obvious, I'm sure.

Examine. Examinant (?)

I'm going with Examinant, abbreviated. 'Examinant never ... (?)'

 

[MollyMay]

I considered it being examinant, but it doesn't look like the previous abbreviation

 

[Bay Horse]

Could it be 'Examinant remembers his' and the registrar has then amended 'his' (referring to his father) to 'he says his father'? Therefore it doesn't actually make sense anyway and it's a clerical error. There is definitely an amended word.

'He remembers his' (father).. then becomes 'He says he thinks his father belonged to B.G.'.

 

[MollyMay]

'He remembers his' (father).. then becomes 'He says he thinks his father belonged to B.G.'.

That is the first thing that has made any sense - thanks

 

[burt]

Can you put up another couple of examples of the
word please for comparison?

 

[MollyMay]

This is the whole entry



I have looked on the following pages (this is the only one on that page with ths handwriting) but cannot see anything that looks similar.

 

[AnnB]

I think it’s ‘E(x)am(inan)t never etc’ with the etc standing for ‘showed just cause’, but these poor law records contain so many weird and wonderful abbreviations, a lot has to be second guessed

 

[MollyMay]

I think it’s ‘E(x)am(inan)t never etc’ with the etc standing for ‘showed just cause’, but these poor law records contain so many weird and wonderful abbreviations, a lot has to be second guessed

I suppose the thought never crossed their minds that over 150 years later someone would want to read and understand their entries

 

[AnnB]

I suppose the thought never crossed their minds that over 150 years later someone would want to read and understand their entries

 

[burt]

I think Ann is about right!

 

[MollyMay]

Thank you everyone