William Arthur Lamont, b. 1882 in Sydney, NSW

[Murfomurf]

William was born to my C1 X 2R, Sarah Eliza Collison who had married a William Lamont- either born in Queensland or Scotland. I found a Baptism for William Arthur, but no civil registration:
Sydney Anglican Parish Registers:
William Arthur Lamont
Record Type Baptism
Birth Date 13 Jan 1882
Baptism Date 15 Mar 1882
Baptism Place Sydney, New South Wales, Australia
Parish as it Appears St Peter
Father William Lamont
Mother Sarah Lamont

I cannot discover anything more about him despite searching for early and later Death, Marriages in Oz or NZ or anything definite about his life post-infancy, if he survived. I know the Collison family well and there's no sign of him with relatives. NZ is full of Lamonts but he wasn't there either (they are mostly Catholics).

Hopefully someone knows some tricks with Oz and NZ records that I don't!

 

[Chimp]

Sarah and William married in 1888, so if William Arthur was born in 1882 it would be before their marriage.

Marriage year -1888
Registration district - Sydney
State - New South Wales
William Lamont
Sarah E Collison
Registration number - 27
Denomination -

There is this birth, not saying it is your William Arthur, but a possibility.

Record set New South Wales Births
Subcategory Civil Births

William A L Collinson
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Birth year 1882
Registration number 367
Denomination -
Registration district Sydney
State New South Wales

 

[Murfomurf]

There is this birth, not saying it is your William Arthur, but a possibility.

Record set New South Wales Births
Subcategory Civil Births

William A L Collinson
Mother's first name(s) Sarah
Birth year 1882
Registration number 367
...

This MUST be him- registered under his MMN, before they were either willing or able to marry. I know Sarah had several partners but had never heard of any Lamonts being involved as a lot of the partnering at the time was probably off the record! Thank you @Chimp !
Now to figure out which William Lamont was Wm Arthur's father- another headache in the making! And how long Wm Arthur survived...

 

[Archie's Mum]

Found some info (Geneat) Sarah Eliza Collison married William Lamont, 1888. He was born c1864 Sydney, according to Geneat.
Research finds he could be the son of William Clyde Lamont and Victoria Davenport (the year of birth fits through BDM) William Lamont and Victoria Davenport married in Sydney in 1863. William Lamont born 2851/1864 Glebe, Sydney father William mother Victoria.

 

[Archie's Mum]

Oh dear, I may have opened a can of worms here. Family Search has a criminal record or two or three or four or more for a William Lamont, alias George or William or Arthur Sinclair or Lamont or Leonards or Robinson or Johnson or Bondi etc. William Murray alias Wiliam Lamont
This fellow gives his birth 1864 Canada, 1870 Sydney, 1858 Scotland etc.
He has numerous gaol records for stealing, assault on a policeman, larceny etc.
The fact that he gives his name as Arthur Lamont and William Lamont, amongst others seems to point to a maybe connection. I'm not sure. Lots of records for him on NSW State Archives, with alias' and occupations from seaman, shoemaker, etc.
What are the chances that he is William Lamont who is the father of your William Arthur and partner of Sarah Eliza Collison.

 

[Murfomurf]

Oh dear, I may have opened a can of worms here. Family Search has a criminal record or two or three or four or more for a William Lamont, alias George or William or Arthur Sinclair or Lamont or Leonards or Robinson or Johnson or Bondi etc. William Murray alias Wiliam Lamont...
What are the chances that he is William Lamont who is the father of your William Arthur and partner of Sarah Eliza Collison.

@Archie's Mum I would be 90% certain that he's the father of William Arthur! The Collison family hung around with a lot of dodgy types, esp First Fleet convicts (like my other Aussie ancestors) and I have been searching for a Murray or Thomson under an alias to tie me to several present-day cousins! Are there more details in Trove or elsewhere? I need to see the evidence! For me this is a welcome can or worms, LOL.

 

[Archie's Mum]

@Archie's Mum I would be 90% certain that he's the father of William Arthur! The Collison family hung around with a lot of dodgy types, esp First Fleet convicts (like my other Aussie ancestors) and I have been searching for a Murray or Thomson under an alias to tie me to several present-day cousins! Are there more details in Trove or elsewhere? I need to see the evidence! For me this is a welcome can or worms, LOL.

Have a look on NSW State Archives. Just enter one of his names. Try William Lamont first. Lots of alias' under that name. Its easy to get in, just put a name in. No need to search around as to where to go. Make sure you use 'NSW STATE ARCHIVES'
As a bonus we have a mug shot too

 

[Archie's Mum]

All his alias' are on Family Search, so check them first, but I think I found another on State Records as Joseph William Cassidy alias William Lamont. You have to know the alias to find him on State Archives Collection.
Cassidy has his mug shot as well as Murray.

 

[Archie's Mum]

Because we are looking at a compulsive liar here (no offence @Murfomurf), and one of his alias' says he was a seaman at sometime, there is a Will Lamont found on the 'Birksgate' as a bedroom steward travelling from Melbourne to Sydney April 1887. He is 31 years old (1856) and says born in Glasgow. Age out but then so are all his alias ages.

 

[Archie's Mum]

All his alias' are on Family Search, so check them first, but I think I found another on State Records as Joseph William Cassidy alias William Lamont. You have to know the alias to find him on State Archives Collection.
Cassidy has his mug shot as well as Murray.

And another! George Sinclair or George Sinclair Douglas. Born Scotland. One thing I think is true is that all these names are Scottish, so a Scottish background could be correct.

 

[Murfomurf]

Have a look on NSW State Archives. Just enter one of his names. Try William Lamont first. Lots of alias' under that name. Its easy to get in, just put a name in. No need to search around as to where to go. Make sure you use 'NSW STATE ARCHIVES'
As a bonus we have a mug shot too

What a devious flaming liar!! Thanks for the tips. Thank goodness I am at least Sarah's blood and not his!

 

[Murfomurf]

I have found further aliases in the NSW Archives! Mr Russell, Arthur Leslie, George Bernard Laughton, James Herbert Hamilton... I could go on, as obviously he did. Now for his parents.

Conclusion: William Lamont or whoever he was must have been insane to think he could keep committing criminal acts and somehow get away with it over and over again. Probably Bi-polar and there was no treatment in those days. His poor family, friends and victims.