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Lulu

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Ok so here is one of my brickwalls.

I am trying to find the birthplace of my gg-grandfather. His name was William Harris Jones b. abt 1845. The family story is that he was born in the West Indies. Different branches of the family have different birthplace's. Those mentioned are Jamaica, Barbados, Trinidad and Tobago and Guyana.

The only information I have is a copy of the marriage certificate of William and my gg-grandmother Elizabeth Chesworth in Liverpool in 1867. His occupation is given as a Mariner of full age and his father's name was John Jones an Officer in Customs I also have a copy of the marriage Allegation but neither give a birthplace.

He doesn't appear on the 1871 Census with his wife and daughter Rebecca(my gt-grandmother) and by 1879 Elizabeth was marrying again and she had stated she was a widow. The story is that he was washed overboard where I don't know.

My g-grandmother told family members that she remembers going on the ships with her mother and father and apparently he worked for the Elder Dempster Lines.

Over the years I have searched various websites, Family Search, Jamaican Family Search, CLIP. I am a member of Ancestry and Find My Past and have looked at any record I could find relating the the Caribbean. Unfortunately I have been unable to locate a birth/baptism or even a death/burial record for him so any help would be very much appreciated.

Ann
 
Sorry I have looked and looked. Found Elizabeth's birth which you have and the marriage - which you also have. No luck on the census or looking at the Elder Dempster lines.:( I looked at deaths - just a thought could there be anything in a Liverpool newspaper? or I am thinking if he did get washed overboard presumably there was an inquest. Would it be In Liverpool records office/archives?.
 
there is a William Harries Jones born 1845 in Kingston sailed from Bremen on 28 Sept 1861 on the Amazone coming to England.
archive name Bremen Staatsarchiv and its on Ancestry
 
There is a marriage of a John Jones, mariner to Elizabeth Chesworth 20 June 1861 St Peter Liverpool. His father John Jones and hers William Chesworth.
Then on 31 July 1865 St Mary Walton on the Hill, Elizabeth Jones widow to Francis Hunt. Her father William Chesworth. Could be coincidence.
 
Sandiep said:
there is a William Harries Jones born 1845 in Kingston sailed from Bremen on 28 Sept 1861 on the Amazone coming to England.
archive name Bremen Staatsarchiv and its on Ancestry
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Hi Sandiep that looks promising unfortunately I don't have a World membership to view the record. I have found a William Jones on CLIP born 1849 in Jamaica and a William Jones born in 1845 in the West Indies both being strong possibilities but need a birth/baptism to confirm.
 
Lulu said:
I have found a William Jones on CLIP born 1849 in Jamaica and a William Jones born in 1845 in the West Indies both being strong possi
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As you have mentioned these I thought I might include the following....William Jones 12 July 1848 Clarendon, Middlesex, Jamaica. Father John Jones, mother Mary Walker.
 
Archie's Mum said:
There is a marriage of a John Jones, mariner to Elizabeth Chesworth 20 June 1861 St Peter Liverpool. His father John Jones and hers William Chesworth.
Then on 31 July 1865 St Mary Walton on the Hill, Elizabeth Jones widow to Francis Hunt. Her father William Chesworth. Could be coincidence.
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Hi Sue. I saw this record but my Elizabeth's father's name is James Chesworth not William. James died in 1852 in Liverpool.
 
gillyflower said:
Sorry I have looked and looked. Found Elizabeth's birth which you have and the marriage - which you also have. No luck on the census or looking at the Elder Dempster lines.:( I looked at deaths - just a thought could there be anything in a Liverpool newspaper? or I am thinking if he did get washed overboard presumably there was an inquest. Would it be In Liverpool records office/archives?.
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Hi gillyflower. I've not come across an inquest for William. I don't even know what year he died unfortunately. My Mum once said he was eaten by sharks off the coast of Australia but her sister told me had never heard that story. :eek:

Ann
 
Lulu said:
Hi gillyflower. I've not come across an inquest for William. I don't even know what year he died unfortunately. My Mum once said he was eaten by sharks off the coast of Australia but her sister told me had never heard that story. :eek:

Ann
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That's very graphic.......common problem down this way just lately. :(
 
Having had no luck with your William I was a bout to ask if he was actually born in Jamaica Street, L'pool. Since then these items have come up, including about 4 other William Harris Jones marrying between 1870 & 1881.:rolleyes:


Elizabeth Chesworth of Sth Chester St, Walton on the Hill
William Harris Jones of Frederick st.Parish of Liverpool

William Harris Jones
Marriage date 12 Mar 1867
Marriage place Liverpool
Father; John Jones
Spouse Elizabeth Chesworth
Spouse's father James Chesworth
Residence Liverpool, Lancashire, England
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Name: William Jones [a maybe]
Age: 25
Birth Year: abt 1844
Birth Place: Bermuda
Event Date: 1 Sep 1869
Port of Registry: Liverpool, Lancashire, England
Ship Name: Fleur de Lis
Official Number: 45405
Reference Number: 387CRE/350
 
Ma-dotcom said:
Having had no luck with your William I was a bout to ask if he was actually born in Jamaica Street, L'pool. Since then these items have come up, including about 4 other William Harris Jones marrying between 1870 & 1881.:rolleyes:


Elizabeth Chesworth of Sth Chester St, Walton on the Hill
William Harris Jones of Frederick st.Parish of Liverpool
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Hi Wendy. That's my gg-grandparents. I've got a copy of the marriage certificate and the license application which Elizabeth applied for but neither gives a place of birth for him. He doesn't appear on any census either unfortunately but the entry you have found on the Fleur de Lis looks very interesting.

Ann
 
I hope some-thing comes of it all for you Ann-( if only because your name is Ann) ;) I don't approve of these Gt. or Gt.Gt. G'parents of ours who leave us wondering about their begettings & where from-ness. :(
 
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