Workhouse Records

MollyMay

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Looking at the Radcliffe (London) workhouse records for my Joiner family, there are lots of entries for the children and the father is constantly listed as 'in SA' and the mother's address is given
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For the life of me I cannot think what S.A. stand for, can anyone enlighten me?
 
Some Asylum or other?
I had thought that too Wendy, but he is on the 1901 census with wife and children, and 1911 with wife and some of the chidlren, the rest are in Board of Governer schools, 2 in Greys Essex and 1 in Brentwood Essex

Plus they produce more children 1901, 1903, 1905 1907 and 1909.
 
Other than South australia [or Africa] & the Salvation Army, I can't think either. Not living over that way doesn't help. -Single accomodation? no, that's it for my just out of bed brain ;)
 
The workhouse records are from 1905, 1906, 1907.
Oldest children born 1895, 1896 & 1898
 
Could it be Sick Asylum - for the father? Paging through the records I saw that against others - not just men - there was one where it said the mother was in the S.A.

Also, do the entries tie in with when Elizabeth was having other children? Perhaps if Edward senior was in the infirmary, the children were taken in while Elizabeth went in to have another child?

I have seen S. A. on some of the discharge columns also
 
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I guess it could be sick asylum, but as Edward was born in Limehouse I would have thought Ratcliffe is where he would be placed.

This family have lead me a merry dance.
Elizabeth Louise Brown married Edward Joiner 16/9/1894 - Bromley
She 23 and he 25
They have the following children
Elizabeth 1895 - 1896
Edward 1896 - 1960
Matilda Ann 1898 -1973
Alfred William 1901 - 1974
Emily Martha 1903 - 1906
William Henry 1905 - ?
Richard 1907 - 1911? (the only death I can find but in Greenwich)
Robert 1909 - 1967

1901 census Limehouse RG13/322/37/20 as Joyner
1911 census Grenade St. Limehouse RG14 PN1568 SN147 which has some oddities, both Elizabeth and Edward's ages are wrong, Richard is transcribed as 14 when it should be 4. She claims 5 live births, 2 deaths. So the 3 children in Board schools she has not included, perhaps. The census is 'signed' Mrs Joiner - Elizabeth made her mark when she married.

It appears the children were placed in schools, as some of the workhous entries say from *** school. In 1908 William Henry was admitted for rheumatism and Heart disease (although he joined the army in 1928, and I cannot find him again after this)
Alfred William in 1907 was put in the workhouse (infirmary, I suspect) with whooping cough from a school in Swanley.

I have never found a death for Edward b1868c - he is recorded as deceased when Matilda marries in 1927 and when William joins the army in 1928 gives his mother as his NOK - Elizabeth is my line, so I have not delved into his past, but it looks like he too spent time in the asylum as a child, so perhaps you are right he was a sickly soul.
 
I have just done what I should have done last night:oops:

I have found an entry in the Dreadnaught Seaman's Hospital for 1901 - Edward was admitted (as a fireman, his occ on his m/c) with bronchitis - so it looks like he was in and out of hospital, I confess to not having heard of the term Sick Asylum - my something new learned today:).

If anyone could find his death though.........
or what happened to William Henry

I would be much obliged;)
 
How about 43 year old (1867) Edward Henry Joiner June 1910 Poplar
I thought that as well, based on the following:

Edward was born in Limehouse

Looking for a birth in 1868 +/- 2 years I found one for Edward Henry JOINER in Stepney RD, volume 1c, page 497. Limehouse is in the Stepney RD.

I have never found a death for Edward b1868c

Based on the birth information found, there is a death of an Edward Henry JOINER in the Poplar RD, June quarter 1910, volume 1c, page 247, aged 43, which would give him a birth year of about 1867.

However, that could not be the case if he was still around for the 1911 census.... :confused:
 
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