Help with place name

[Andromeda]

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Henry names his father as Stephen, a Sawyer. I had investigated this family and printed out census for 1841, 1851 and 1861, so think that is probably them.

Took me a while to find them in 1851 - transcribed as Harris

I see that Henry was a 15 year old mariner at the time.

 

[Jellylegs]

Took me a while to find them in 1851 - transcribed as Harris

I see that Henry was a 15 year old mariner at the time.

Yes, it took me a while - and I do wonder about Henry being a Mariner - or not. The variations of the surname spelling has not helped - looking at the original pages, sometimes they are nothing like the transcriptions

 

[Andromeda]

Just need to confirm who Sarah is now - and to persevere with looking for a marriage.

HORRICKS family who are Henry b. 1833/4; Sarah b. 1834/5; Mary A b. 1856; Harriet b. 1858 and Frances Sarah b. 1860

Their children are registered as Horricks and Hurrick with the mother's maiden name varying from Stutte, Stuttle and even Shittle

A possibility is that she was born with the same name as her daughter:

Baptism at Southminster 28 Dec 1834 - Frances Sarah d/o Charles & Maria STUTTLE

 

[Andromeda]

Marriage 1852 Maldon - Frances STUTTLE & (same page) William (!) HURROX

 

[Jellylegs]

A possibility is that she was born with the same name as her daughter:

Baptism at Southminster 28 Dec 1834 - Frances Sarah d/o Charles & Maria STUTTLE

Yes, I have seen that, and was wondering if it was her. I found a marriage for a Francis Stuttle (a miner who names her father as Charles, a wheelwright) to William Horrox , full age, but he was a sawyer (father Stephen the sawyer) - married at Maldon on 10 Feb 1852. This would fit quite nicely. I can't remember now if I could find them in the census or deaths - it is so hard with the spelling variations of the surnames. Maybe it is her and she left William and moved in with Henry.

You beat me to it @Andromeda - getting slow in typing

 

[Jellylegs]

Just gone back through my paperwork and I have William transcribed as William HARRIETT (on FMP, anyway) at 12 Victory Place, Newington, London & Surrey in the 1861 census - along with daughter Sarah, born 1854 Newington. I can't work out if it says married or widower. RG09/337/93/33



In 1871 William and daughter Sarah are together at RG10/619/123/36 in St Mary Newington, London. William now has a wife Caroline (40) and three children born 1862, 1864 and 1865.

I'm really struggling to work it all out - I have made a note to the effect that did Frances Sarah become Sarah and took up with someone called Henry?

 

[Andromeda]

Jeez, how complicated does this family get! So it looks like Sarah was a full daughter of William & Frances Sarah:

HURRICKS, SARAH mmn STUTTLE GRO Reference: 1853 D Quarter in ST MARY NEWINGTON Volume 01D Page 172

According to a tree, the children with William & Caroline in 1871 were born as Checketts, which is the surname of the neighbour Caroline from 1861!

CHECKETTS, STEPHEN JAMES mmn MORRIS GRO Reference: 1863 J Quarter in NEWINGTON Volume 01D Page 207
CHECKETTS, ALFRED mmn MORRIS GRO Reference: 1865 J Quarter in NEWINGTON Volume 01D Page 222
CHECKETTS, ELIZABETH mmn MORRIS GRO Reference: 1868 S Quarter in NEWINGTON Volume 01D Page 212

My first thought was that [Frances] Sarah left William for his brother, Henry, but with the 1861 showing them as BERRY, who knows!.

Caroline's husband Charles Halford Godfrey Checketts apparently died in Melbourne, Victoria in 1896.

I hope you have a good stock of paracetamol

 

[Andromeda]

So I can keep track, these are the census entries from 1861 & 1871:

1861 22 Cornwall Street, St George in the East. RG09/280/84/18
Henry Berry 26 Dock Labourer b St George Middx
Sarah 27 wife b Munster
Mary A 4 daur b St George Middx
Harriet 3 daur b St George Middx
Sarah 6m daur b St George Middx

1871 Shepherds Terrace, West Ham. RG10/1631/30/59
Henry Horricks 38 Labourer at Ship Yard b Maldon, Essex
Sarah 36 wife b Southminster
Mary A 17 daur b Walworth
George 15 son b Stepney
Harriet 13 daur b Whitechapel
Henry 9 son b Stepney

Who is George that suddenly appears in 1871?

 

[AnnB]

Who is George that suddenly appears in 1871?

With this family, I’m not surprised a George suddenly appears

 

[Jellylegs]

Jeez, how complicated does this family get!

I hope you have a good stock of paracetamol

That's why I gave in and asked you wonderful peeps for help

 

[Jellylegs]

So I can keep track, these are the census entries from 1861 & 1871:

1861 22 Cornwall Street, St George in the East. RG09/280/84/18
Henry Berry 26 Dock Labourer b St George Middx
Sarah 27 wife b Munster
Mary A 4 daur b St George Middx
Harriet 3 daur b St George Middx
Sarah 6m daur b St George Middx

1871 Shepherds Terrace, West Ham. RG10/1631/30/59
Henry Horricks 38 Labourer at Ship Yard b Maldon, Essex
Sarah 36 wife b Southminster
Mary A 17 daur b Walworth
George 15 son b Stepney
Harriet 13 daur b Whitechapel
Henry 9 son b Stepney

Who is George that suddenly appears in 1871?

With this family, I’m not surprised a George suddenly appears

I was rather afraid to mention him before (she says as she ducks )

Edit: Have been gone a while as I had just sorted out who Caroline and the three children were.

 

[AnnB]

I was rather afraid to mention him before (she says as she ducks )

He’s probably not a George at all, and as for being a Horricks…..I reckon he just snuck in on census night

 

[Jellylegs]

He’s probably not a George at all, and as for being a Horricks…..I reckon he just snuck in on census night

Probably a Georgina Berry

Have looked high and low for him before and after the 1871 census - with no luck. Wasn't going to mention him yet

 

[Ma-dotcom]

Yes, it took me a while - and I do wonder about Henry being a Mariner - or not. The variations of the surname spelling has not helped - looking at the original pages, sometimes they are nothing like the transcriptions

I was told many years ago that 'mariner' covered many sins aspects of life on or near the water, & young boys did start out as workers / helpers on boats & ships.

 

[Jellylegs]

Thank you @Ma-dotcom. I had never heard of that - but makes sense for young Henry being listed as a Mariner then.

 

[Archie's Mum]

Charles Halford CHECKETT died in 1896. Father George Halford. His death notice ‘dearly loved husband of Ellen’. No death notice for an Ellen Checkett(s) nor marriage.
Did Charlie run away to Australia with Ellen? Before or after Caroline took up with William?

 

[Jellylegs]

Charles Halford CHECKETT died in 1896. Father George Halford. His death notice ‘dearly loved husband of Ellen’. No death notice for an Ellen Checkett(s) nor marriage.
Did Charlie run away to Australia with Ellen? Before or after Caroline took up with William?

He may have, although it is really the Horricks/Horrocks line I am interested in - specifically Henry and Sarah. They are tied up with the Berry/Baker lot that I was searching for on another thread I don't think William and Caroline had any children, though I could be mistaken and haven't looked any further into them as they (William and Caroline) are not the direct line I am looking into - they just came up when trying to sort out Henry and Sarah or Frances Sarah as she seems to be.

 

[Archie's Mum]

Charles Stuttle married Maria Spells 23/1/1829 Southminster. FS.
It looks like he was the son of Marriane or Roxanne Stuttle, no father. Baptised 1/1/1809.
Frances Stuttle can be found in 1851 as servant to James Badger, curate at Asheldon, Maldon, Essex with his two spinster sisters. She is 16 years old.
The rest of the family are living in a Union house, St Peter in Maldon. No sign of Charles.
1841 Charles with Frances, Charles, Meriah (Spells) William, Mary, and 20 year old Eliza Spells

 

[Archie's Mum]

There is also a Henry Stuttle, wheelwright in 1826. History of Southminster Poll of Voters.

 

[Andromeda]

Not that it particularly helps, but I think William (who married Frances Sarah & then took up with Caroline) may have died in Newington Workhouse in 1886. Buried Newham 21 May 1886.