Archie's Mum
Always digging up clues
Yes, I know I'm off track but sometimes getting off the track leads to another road going the right way! 
I'll go off to bed now and leave you to it
I'll go off to bed now and leave you to it
Matthew West
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MollyMay
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I now know what a turtle merchant did 
The Painter family ran a tavern in Leadenhall Street, called the Ship and Turtle (now demolished)
They were purveyors of turtle soup (to royalty as well as in the tavern), and even sold it in earthenware jars, bearing their name and the name of the pub, some of which can be found on auction sites.
In 1861 Adeline and Charles were running the Inn (father George before then).
On one census brother Adolphus was also a turtle merchant.
The Painter family ran a tavern in Leadenhall Street, called the Ship and Turtle (now demolished)
They were purveyors of turtle soup (to royalty as well as in the tavern), and even sold it in earthenware jars, bearing their name and the name of the pub, some of which can be found on auction sites.
In 1861 Adeline and Charles were running the Inn (father George before then).
On one census brother Adolphus was also a turtle merchant.
Andromeda
Tenacity is her middle name
Newspaper reports say this man was a general labourer and died after falling from a scaffold at 77 King William Street. An inquest was held at Guy's Hospital so the informant is likely to be the coroner/deputy coroner.
MollyMay
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Thank you @Andromeda, I was holding off on looking at this death until I had had a look at Adeline's will.With what you have found it seems that the death cert is unlikely to provide any useful info
Archie's Mum
Always digging up clues
Adeline and Charles also had a son Charles Adolphus and William Arthur who went to NZ had a son William Arthur Adopholus. I wouldn’t write that death off completely though. If William West went to France, as is possible he may have not been needed after Charles death. He was a servant, yes but maybe a labouring job was all he could get.
Archie's Mum
Always digging up clues
Sorry, that’s William Doridant going to NZ. Not West.
MollyMay
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I am not going to, but if the coroner registered the death then there is little chance anything on it will confirm if it is my Matthew or not
MollyMay
Knows where to find the answers!
Adeline's will has arrived, it made such good reading and boy did she say everything she wanted - warts and all.
Not a mention of Matthew (of course not 
), but I have copied the will below (spelling mistakes and all) - I do not know how to put a superscript letter so put them in ( ).
Enjoy -
Written by my own hand & with death perhaps near me Every thing I die possessed of I leave to my brother Charles in trust ie all the law allows me to leave him for him to realise & pay my debts & also my Husband's but more especially his own. John Gambrill of Park Farm Folkestone & Mrs Byrnes of Jekels Castle Camberley Surrey I leave him specially either of my set of chimney ornaments at Strath Endrick he may chose To his wife Mrs Charles Painter my diamond snake bracelet & God forgive her unkindness to me To my brother John whatever residue there may be coming to me from my brother Adolphus' estate & my bronze pheasant to my sister Kate one of my rings to Mrs Ted Painter my coral & gold bracelet my little nieces are mentioned in a former will let it stand good When everything is paid I should wish the rest realised & placed in trust for my son until he is 25 years of age when by god's grace his nature may have changed if not I hope my brother Charles James Painter will so arrange that he may have an annuity or allow him an income keeping the capital in his own hands & should he die then I should like my little niece and god child Iris to have at least £200 to my brother John Henry Painter £1000 if so much be left I should wish Mrs Tomkin to have some of the furniture at Strath Endrick & £20 My mother's wardrobe I should like to go back to Aldbro Halll until my son marry & reform but I should not like it to be sold nor go out of the family the plate jewels etc at Dinsdale's Bank I wish all held in trust until my son be 25 & then I leave it to my brother's discretion whether they should be entrusted to my son or not but the testimonial given to my late husband by the town of Folkestone and my tea and coffee service I hope my brother Charles will not leave his family but keep them ever as heirlooms My mother's cluster ring also Let the little pearl brooch & earrings bee given to my fried Madame Garussus for her great kindness to me & also her husband's If there be no other way of paying John Gambrill's debt let him have my diamond necklace it is a debt of honour to me. Send my terra cotta statut group t Mr P Nache who has my jewells Let Mad(e) Dev(e) Demellette have a souvenier of me also her son & my nephew in Paris Charles Theodore To my son I leave my blessing & my forgiveness for he has hastened my death & now good bye to all who have been dear to me I die in peace with all & forgive as I hope to be forgiven Let at least £20 be given to the hospital & poor of Mentone And now good bye once more your loving sister
My servants Camilla & Mr & Mm(e) Constantine St Martin have been very devoted to me I should wish them each to have £20
Not a mention of Matthew (of course not
), but I have copied the will below (spelling mistakes and all) - I do not know how to put a superscript letter so put them in ( ).Enjoy -
Written by my own hand & with death perhaps near me Every thing I die possessed of I leave to my brother Charles in trust ie all the law allows me to leave him for him to realise & pay my debts & also my Husband's but more especially his own. John Gambrill of Park Farm Folkestone & Mrs Byrnes of Jekels Castle Camberley Surrey I leave him specially either of my set of chimney ornaments at Strath Endrick he may chose To his wife Mrs Charles Painter my diamond snake bracelet & God forgive her unkindness to me To my brother John whatever residue there may be coming to me from my brother Adolphus' estate & my bronze pheasant to my sister Kate one of my rings to Mrs Ted Painter my coral & gold bracelet my little nieces are mentioned in a former will let it stand good When everything is paid I should wish the rest realised & placed in trust for my son until he is 25 years of age when by god's grace his nature may have changed if not I hope my brother Charles James Painter will so arrange that he may have an annuity or allow him an income keeping the capital in his own hands & should he die then I should like my little niece and god child Iris to have at least £200 to my brother John Henry Painter £1000 if so much be left I should wish Mrs Tomkin to have some of the furniture at Strath Endrick & £20 My mother's wardrobe I should like to go back to Aldbro Halll until my son marry & reform but I should not like it to be sold nor go out of the family the plate jewels etc at Dinsdale's Bank I wish all held in trust until my son be 25 & then I leave it to my brother's discretion whether they should be entrusted to my son or not but the testimonial given to my late husband by the town of Folkestone and my tea and coffee service I hope my brother Charles will not leave his family but keep them ever as heirlooms My mother's cluster ring also Let the little pearl brooch & earrings bee given to my fried Madame Garussus for her great kindness to me & also her husband's If there be no other way of paying John Gambrill's debt let him have my diamond necklace it is a debt of honour to me. Send my terra cotta statut group t Mr P Nache who has my jewells Let Mad(e) Dev(e) Demellette have a souvenier of me also her son & my nephew in Paris Charles Theodore To my son I leave my blessing & my forgiveness for he has hastened my death & now good bye to all who have been dear to me I die in peace with all & forgive as I hope to be forgiven Let at least £20 be given to the hospital & poor of Mentone And now good bye once more your loving sister
My servants Camilla & Mr & Mm(e) Constantine St Martin have been very devoted to me I should wish them each to have £20
